Tony Morris

I want to fiddle with build tools for approximately 0 time ideally and I'm happy to accept compromises on other fronts for that. Stack is great for this. If I had other priorities I'd use other tools.

exactly but Stack is awful at this, so I move on. I also don't tell newbies to use PHP. Wanna try to talk me into that to??? I don't get it.

I have had a dramatically different experience than you to come to such differing conclusions. I don't know why, but I want you to understand that there are a lot of people with experiences similar to mine,and writing all of those people off is bizarre.

I just read this whole thread.. im desperate to be convinced I don't need stack like I don't need spacemacs to use emacs, but after reading all this I still have no idea of any argument against it except feelsies. Some reason and rationale would solve these tensions I am sure.

yeah, it's just feelsies, k

group a: stack never works for anyone group b: it actually works pretty great for us (this is the extent of the "debate")

I think I got more out of it than that. For education, the argument is the pedagogical simplicity of plain GHC -- not Stack, not even Cabal. For production, the argument is new-build Cabal, and for many non-Stackers also Nix to nail FFI with some principled architecture.

You also get to see some (not all) of the deflective tactics that are deployed when pseudo-debate occurs. Especially around stack. I find it interesting, even if dishonest and non-progressive.