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    1. Matt Parsons  🏳️‍🌈‏ @mattoflambda 5 May 2018
      Replying to @puffnfresh @shajra and

      People want to use stack because it solves real problems for them. I don't see why this is incomprehensible. There are many tools that I don't use personally, while understanding why others do like then.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    2. Matt Parsons  🏳️‍🌈‏ @mattoflambda 5 May 2018
      Replying to @mattoflambda @puffnfresh and

      I want to fiddle with build tools for approximately 0 time ideally and I'm happy to accept compromises on other fronts for that. Stack is great for this. If I had other priorities I'd use other tools.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Brian McKenna‏ @puffnfresh 5 May 2018
      Replying to @mattoflambda @shajra and

      exactly but Stack is awful at this, so I move on. I also don't tell newbies to use PHP. Wanna try to talk me into that to??? I don't get it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. Matt Parsons  🏳️‍🌈‏ @mattoflambda 5 May 2018
      Replying to @puffnfresh @shajra and

      I have had a dramatically different experience than you to come to such differing conclusions. I don't know why, but I want you to understand that there are a lot of people with experiences similar to mine,and writing all of those people off is bizarre.

      3 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    5. Felix‏ @FelixSchlitter 6 May 2018
      Replying to @mattoflambda @puffnfresh and

      I just read this whole thread.. im desperate to be convinced I don't need stack like I don't need spacemacs to use emacs, but after reading all this I still have no idea of any argument against it except feelsies. Some reason and rationale would solve these tensions I am sure.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    6. Brian McKenna‏ @puffnfresh 6 May 2018
      Replying to @FelixSchlitter @mattoflambda and

      yeah, it's just feelsies, k 🙄

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Matt Parsons  🏳️‍🌈‏ @mattoflambda 6 May 2018
      Replying to @puffnfresh @FelixSchlitter and

      group a: stack never works for anyone group b: it actually works pretty great for us (this is the extent of the "debate")

      2 replies 1 retweet 12 likes
    8. Sukant Hajra‏ @shajra 6 May 2018
      Replying to @mattoflambda @puffnfresh and

      I think I got more out of it than that. For education, the argument is the pedagogical simplicity of plain GHC -- not Stack, not even Cabal. For production, the argument is new-build Cabal, and for many non-Stackers also Nix to nail FFI with some principled architecture.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Tony Morris‏ @dibblego 6 May 2018
      Replying to @shajra @mattoflambda and

      You also get to see some (not all) of the deflective tactics that are deployed when pseudo-debate occurs. Especially around stack. I find it interesting, even if dishonest and non-progressive.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    10. Sukant Hajra‏ @shajra 6 May 2018
      Replying to @dibblego @mattoflambda and

      To be fair, many people are not saying "works on my machine" (though many are). They are asking, "please give us more details so we can fix/improve Stack." At best, the response seems to be, "I'm not actually interested in that, because Stack is not needed, hence a bad idea."

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      Tony Morris‏ @dibblego 6 May 2018
      Replying to @shajra @mattoflambda and

      You are always too generous :) No, it was recurrent deflection, not argument, or aspirations for improvement.

      6:30 PM - 6 May 2018
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        2. Sukant Hajra‏ @shajra 6 May 2018
          Replying to @dibblego @mattoflambda and

          My generosity is my gift to everyone. It's okay if you return to sender.

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        3. Tony Morris‏ @dibblego 6 May 2018
          Replying to @shajra @mattoflambda and

          Yes, but it means arguments cannot occur. Actual arguments over stack do, and have, occurred. Honest critical discussions. How do you think we arrived this position? Making up bullshit like the opponent? That's just parody.

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