It's not like we didn't run sessions here locally in Austin. I didn't say "majority;" I'd say the number of experiences of people I've witnessed personally and heard of secondary is in the "many" range.
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k, I've heard 0, so I'll just move on. I really really don't understand why people want others to use Stack so badly. I want you to not, but whatevs, continue on.
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Replying to @puffnfresh @shajra and
People want to use stack because it solves real problems for them. I don't see why this is incomprehensible. There are many tools that I don't use personally, while understanding why others do like then.
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Replying to @mattoflambda @puffnfresh and
I want to fiddle with build tools for approximately 0 time ideally and I'm happy to accept compromises on other fronts for that. Stack is great for this. If I had other priorities I'd use other tools.
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Replying to @mattoflambda @shajra and
exactly but Stack is awful at this, so I move on. I also don't tell newbies to use PHP. Wanna try to talk me into that to??? I don't get it.
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Replying to @puffnfresh @shajra and
I have had a dramatically different experience than you to come to such differing conclusions. I don't know why, but I want you to understand that there are a lot of people with experiences similar to mine,and writing all of those people off is bizarre.
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Replying to @mattoflambda @puffnfresh and
I just read this whole thread.. im desperate to be convinced I don't need stack like I don't need spacemacs to use emacs, but after reading all this I still have no idea of any argument against it except feelsies. Some reason and rationale would solve these tensions I am sure.
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Replying to @FelixSchlitter @mattoflambda and
yeah, it's just feelsies, k
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Replying to @puffnfresh @FelixSchlitter and
group a: stack never works for anyone group b: it actually works pretty great for us (this is the extent of the "debate")
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Replying to @mattoflambda @puffnfresh and
I think I got more out of it than that. For education, the argument is the pedagogical simplicity of plain GHC -- not Stack, not even Cabal. For production, the argument is new-build Cabal, and for many non-Stackers also Nix to nail FFI with some principled architecture.
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You also get to see some (not all) of the deflective tactics that are deployed when pseudo-debate occurs. Especially around stack. I find it interesting, even if dishonest and non-progressive.
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Replying to @dibblego @mattoflambda and
To be fair, many people are not saying "works on my machine" (though many are). They are asking, "please give us more details so we can fix/improve Stack." At best, the response seems to be, "I'm not actually interested in that, because Stack is not needed, hence a bad idea."
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Replying to @shajra @mattoflambda and
You are always too generous :) No, it was recurrent deflection, not argument, or aspirations for improvement.
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