Tony Morris

2) Using Stack as a faux-produxtion teaching enviornment just gives more fuel to the argument of using Stack in production as beginners matriculate. This has analogs with the arguments to use Scala over Haskell. It's easier at the start, but not better, and not easier for long.

Personally, I think the choice is less critical when it comes to teaching. Good students will switch tools for good reasons. A good instructor and the actual Haskell code is much more important than the small amount of tooling we use to bootstrap an environment.

I tell people not to use Stack, because people have come to my classes trying to use Stack and it doesn't work. Not about good/bad students (but I've never had a bad one)

I'm open to this argument, but so many people haven't had this particular experience with new learners. What broke?

Yes they have. You just didn't hear about them.

It's not like we didn't run sessions here locally in Austin. I didn't say "majority;" I'd say the number of experiences of people I've witnessed personally and heard of secondary is in the "many" range.

k, I've heard 0, so I'll just move on. I really really don't understand why people want others to use Stack so badly. I want you to not, but whatevs, continue on.

I'm definitely sympathetic to the argument to teach with pure GHC to start with that I mentioned earlier. No Stack, no Cabal. There's a symplicity that gets to brass tacks -- kind of like how every Scala programmer should be able to call scalac without SBT.