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    1. Ian Jeffries‏ @seagreen__ 7 Mar 2018

      Ian Jeffries Retweeted Brian Marick

      That statement is wrong, and Haskellers should stop saying it. lens in particular leads to unreadable types, and there are a lot of people who dislike it for that reason, eg: https://ro-che.info/articles/2014-04-24-lens-unidiomatic.html …https://twitter.com/marick/status/971524681177227264 …

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      Brian Marick @marick
      Dunno. "Types are all the documentation you need" really isn't working for me. pic.twitter.com/xdzQemfDKy
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    2. swann‏ @evertedsphere 7 Mar 2018
      Replying to @seagreen__ @light_industry

      tbf, I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim that *current* Haskell types are sufficient to supersede documentation, just that they're a really good thing to have and it's silly to discount the value of a good, clear type

      5 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    3. swann‏ @evertedsphere 7 Mar 2018
      Replying to @evertedsphere @light_industry

      especially for `lens`. subtyping-via-ultra-polymorphism is an amazing hack, but it's a hack, and it shows, and I'm not sure you can find many people who love `lens` types the way they do, say, those of `async`

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    4. ⓘ_jack‏ @Iceland_jack 8 Mar 2018
      Replying to @evertedsphere @mrkgrnao @light_industry

      I'm pretty sure it can be de-hacked with #QuantifiedConstraints

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    5. Edward Kmett‏ @kmett 8 Mar 2018
      Replying to @Iceland_jack @mrkgrnao @light_industry

      I've been waiting for QuantifiedConstraints to make it into the mainstream compiler for much this reason. So much becomes easier to express with them in the world of lenses.

      0 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    6. Edward Kmett‏ @kmett 8 Mar 2018
      Replying to @kmett @Iceland_jack and

      One example is being able to make a class like AsFoo where we know that _Foo is at least a prism, but can be better than a prism, e.g. an Iso or Equality for some instances, so if you know more about the type, you can get a better optic. QCs makes this easy to state.

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    7. Edward Kmett‏ @kmett 8 Mar 2018
      Replying to @kmett @Iceland_jack and

      I took a few minutes to bang out a sketch of this, but I don't have the QC branch of GHC built to test with and fix it, so there's probably a bunch of typos/thinkos. https://gist.github.com/ekmett/af1c460582b1de467c8461abdf134b6f … QCs completely replace my old approach for finer AsFoo/HasFoo constraints. /cc @dibblego

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      Tony Morris‏ @dibblego 8 Mar 2018
      Replying to @kmett @Iceland_jack and

      Looks similar, but different again, to https://github.com/ekmett/lens-constraints/blob/master/Constraints.hs …

      11:53 AM - 8 Mar 2018
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        1. Edward Kmett‏ @kmett 8 Mar 2018
          Replying to @dibblego @Iceland_jack and

          The difference is that the explosion of instances isn't necessary with quantified constraints. The type checker will do all the work. Also you don't need two _Foo variants, one with the stronger constraint and one without: one will do, because we can now state entailment directly

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