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    1. Fraser Tweedale‏ @hackuador 6 Aug 2017
      Replying to @ncoghlan_dev

      This is false. Software is not write-only. Software requires maintenance. Code need to be readable. It's primary audience is humans.

      2 replies 1 retweet 1 like
    2. Fraser Tweedale‏ @hackuador 6 Aug 2017
      Replying to @hackuador @ncoghlan_dev

      furthermore, how can we have any confidence that the computer is doing what we want if we cannot reason about the program?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Nick Coghlan‏ @ncoghlan_dev 6 Aug 2017
      Replying to @hackuador

      We run it and see if it gives the answer and/or behaviour we want with the data we gave it. Same way people use spreadsheets.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Fraser Tweedale‏ @hackuador 6 Aug 2017
      Replying to @ncoghlan_dev

      Honest question: how do you know if the answer/behaviour observed is the answer/behaviour you want?

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    5. Nick Coghlan‏ @ncoghlan_dev 6 Aug 2017
      Replying to @hackuador

      When it's the same outcome as what you would have got doing it by hand, and when your spot checks look right.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Nick Coghlan‏ @ncoghlan_dev 6 Aug 2017
      Replying to @ncoghlan_dev @hackuador

      When we formalise those spot checks, we give them names like unit tests, acceptance tests, and test vectors :)

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    7. Fraser Tweedale‏ @hackuador 6 Aug 2017
      Replying to @ncoghlan_dev

      I hope Boeing "spot-checked" all the possible combinations of inputs in their avionics system on the 737-800 I was flying on last night :)

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    8. Nick Coghlan‏ @ncoghlan_dev 6 Aug 2017
      Replying to @hackuador

      Yep, Boeing knows how to write & test safety critical software: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety-critical_system#Software_engineering_for_safety-critical_systems …

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    9. Nick Coghlan‏ @ncoghlan_dev 6 Aug 2017
      Replying to @ncoghlan_dev @hackuador

      They also know that that level of assurance is around an order of magnitude more expensive than regular software development :)

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    10. Fraser Tweedale‏ @hackuador 6 Aug 2017
      Replying to @ncoghlan_dev

      imagine if we could bring down the cost of formal verification (hint: we already have, and continue to do so)

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      Tony Morris‏ @dibblego 6 Aug 2017
      Replying to @hackuador @ncoghlan_dev

      I wonder if it is less than the trillion dollars that the Commonwealth Bank just spent on writing-broken-software.

      9:12 PM - 6 Aug 2017
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