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    1. Alex Nedelcu‏ @alexelcu 1 May 2017
      Replying to @yoeight @runT1ME

      You keep assuming I don't know my stuff, not sure why. unsafePerformIO violates referential transparency, there's nothing more to say.

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    2. Alex Nedelcu‏ @alexelcu 1 May 2017
      Replying to @alexelcu @yoeight @runT1ME

      And in the presence of unsafePerformIO, Haskell's laziness only makes things more awkward.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Yo Eight‏ @yoeight 1 May 2017
      Replying to @alexelcu @runT1ME

      Exactly, this is why unsafePerformIO is unsafe. Escaping IO isn't if you know what you doing but it's unpredictable.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Yo Eight‏ @yoeight 1 May 2017
      Replying to @yoeight @alexelcu @runT1ME

      In order to break RF, unsafePerformIO needs to be observe aka, the result must be needed.

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    5. Alex Nedelcu‏ @alexelcu 1 May 2017
      Replying to @yoeight @runT1ME

      Sure but the determined dev can force that, GHC providing escape hatches, etc. Point being we also rely on conventions & best practices.

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    6. Alex Nedelcu‏ @alexelcu 1 May 2017
      Replying to @alexelcu @yoeight @runT1ME

      I'm not disagreeing that Haskell is much better at this btw. I just think that IO/Task has value in Scala, I personally like it a lot

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Yo Eight‏ @yoeight 1 May 2017
      Replying to @alexelcu @runT1ME

      I don't try to compare both. I wrote almost Haskell and Scala for a decade. I prefer Scala to not do the same mistakes Haskell did.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Vincent Marquez‏ @runT1ME 1 May 2017
      Replying to @yoeight @alexelcu

      What languages do you use now professionally? Would you prefer a codebase that didn't try to track effects in Scala (ala scalaz.c.Task)?

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    9. Yo Eight‏ @yoeight 1 May 2017
      Replying to @runT1ME @alexelcu

      Professionally and on my side projects I use Haskell. I want effect tracking. It's just you have to use monad transformers to compose stuff

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    10. Yo Eight‏ @yoeight 1 May 2017
      Replying to @yoeight @runT1ME @alexelcu

      Things get ugly pretty quick. Plus, stacking monad transformers ain't cheap. You end up rolling your own most of the time

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      Tony Morris‏ @dibblego 2 May 2017
      Replying to @yoeight @runT1ME @alexelcu

      With all respect, I think you are wrong.

      4:46 PM - 2 May 2017
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        1. Yo Eight‏ @yoeight 2 May 2017
          Replying to @dibblego @runT1ME @alexelcu

          Considering my stand on this is subjective. I don't mind. I'm aware I chose comfort over correctness. Scala is ugly enough.

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        2. Tony Morris‏ @dibblego 2 May 2017
          Replying to @yoeight @runT1ME @alexelcu

          But your reasoning is wrong. It's not trading anything. It's throwing away, for no benefit.

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