Tony Morris

... also knowing that it'll be tough finding a job with it vs starting as a junior Ruby dev somewhere. (Sydney seems to be NICTA or... CBA.)

tl;dr ¯\(°_o)/¯

Longer tl;dr: Starting people with Ruby now feels comparable to starting people with PHP five years ago.

@damncabbage Better languages are yet to have the "UX" of Ruby. I think it's still a fair first foray.

@gregmcintyre @damncabbage my experience is very different, so I'm curious what you mean. What do you see as ruby UX?

@mwotton @damncabbage Similar to POLS and all the "warm fuzzy feeling" propaganda Ruby gets. Community, everything.

@mwotton @damncabbage I recall you telling me to ignore monads, for example. Haskell's learning curve has potholes compared to Ruby's.

@mwotton @damncabbage Thing I like about Ruby as a 1st language is that you can learn procedural, OOP and functional styles all in one lang.