Tony Morris

@etorreborre Sure it might be hard -- it's not always obvious. That's the point. It is definitely there though.

@dibblego some of the rules were only there for political reasons. That'd be hard (and unproductive) to model

@etorreborre private thoughts do not eschew the mathematics.

@dibblego probably, but all sorts of constraints force you to accept that as arbitrary if you want to complete your programming *now*

@etorreborre ...by encoding those constraints using mathematics, knowingly or not.

@dibblego right. I'll be happy to discuss the subject in the future with you on some real example because this has been bugging me lately

@etorreborre OK, so I will keep my clothes on then?

@dibblego I think the question is framed to be irrefutable so yes!