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    1. Josh Suereth‏ @jsuereth 28 Aug 2012
      Replying to @djspiewak

      @djspiewak dude. Every scala functor violates the law you describe. Functions can close mutable state cc> @marius

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    2. Daniel Spiewak‏ @djspiewak 28 Aug 2012
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      @jsuereth @marius Even if a function doesn't close over mutable state, Try still exposes impurity.

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    3. Josh Suereth‏ @jsuereth 28 Aug 2012
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      @djspiewak @marius if you limit to non-catching functions?

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    4. Daniel Spiewak‏ @djspiewak 28 Aug 2012
      Replying to @jsuereth

      @jsuereth @marius If you have a throwing function that is mapped over a Success, that revealse the impurity.

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    5. Josh Suereth‏ @jsuereth 28 Aug 2012
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      @djspiewak @marius how is that?

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    6. Daniel Spiewak‏ @djspiewak 28 Aug 2012
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      @jsuereth @marius Which part?

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    7. Josh Suereth‏ @jsuereth 28 Aug 2012
      Replying to @djspiewak

      @djspiewak @marius throwing func mapped over success

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    8. Daniel Spiewak‏ @djspiewak 28 Aug 2012
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      @jsuereth @marius f(42) != (Success(42) map f) where f = sys.error("O NOES")

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    9. Josh Suereth‏ @jsuereth 28 Aug 2012
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      @djspiewak @marius shouldn't that be Try(f(42)) == (Try(42) map f) ?

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    10. Daniel Spiewak‏ @djspiewak 28 Aug 2012
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      @jsuereth @marius Ah, that's a good point. Unfortunately, Try() swallows the distinction. I need to fall back on tony's example.

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      Tony Morris‏ @dibblego 28 Aug 2012
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      @djspiewak @jsuereth @marius Pick on flatMap, not just map. Same mistake, bigger consequences.

      4:57 PM - 28 Aug 2012
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        1. Daniel Spiewak‏ @djspiewak 28 Aug 2012
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          @dibblego @jsuereth @marius It's trivial to lift map examples up to flatMap. Very helpfully, throw :: Exception => Nothing

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        1. Josh Suereth‏ @jsuereth 28 Aug 2012
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          @dibblego @djspiewak @marius Ok, so the Monad law is violated if you allow throwing functions into your category.

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        1. Josh Suereth‏ @jsuereth 28 Aug 2012
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          @dibblego @djspiewak @marius specifically left identity: f(x) == Try(x) flatMap f

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        1. Josh Suereth‏ @jsuereth 28 Aug 2012
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          @dibblego @djspiewak @marius That's where f: A => Try[B] and x: => A

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