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    1. Fraser Tweedale‏ @hackuador 15 Jul 2020

      All monads are also functors (things that can be mapped) and applicative functors (which allow mapping "multi-arg" functions across multiple values). Monad is a sub-class of functor and applicative. Monad gives you more power, but there are fewer things that are monads.

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    2. Fraser Tweedale‏ @hackuador 15 Jul 2020

      The extra power of monad is the ability to decide what to do "next" based on intermediate results. As a concrete example, consider parsing a data type with tagged fields or run-length encoding. You need to see the parse of the first part to decide how to parse the next part.

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    3. Fraser Tweedale‏ @hackuador 15 Jul 2020

      Some languages/libraries call this capability "bind". "andThen" is also common. In Haskell it is an infix function '(>>=)' but we pronounce it "bind".

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    4. Fraser Tweedale‏ @hackuador 15 Jul 2020

      In a made-up language bind looks like: typeclass Monad k where (Applicative k): bind(inVal : k a, func : a → k b) → k b It takes monadic 'inVal' which contains/ produces values of type 'a', applies 'func' to the 'a's and returns 'k b' (same monad 'k'; inner type can change)

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    5. Fraser Tweedale‏ @hackuador 15 Jul 2020

      Setting 'k' as 'List', bind has the form: bind(inVal : List a, func : a → List b) → List b What does this do? There is only one (lawful) possibility. It maps 'func' across 'inVal' to give a 'List (List b)', and then it flattens the list. bind for List is "flatMap"!

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    6. Fraser Tweedale‏ @hackuador 15 Jul 2020

      I keep mentioning "laws". Here are the laws for monad: bind(pure(a), f) = f(a) bind(m, pure) = m bind(m, lambda x: bind(f(x), g)) = bind(bind(m, f), g) 'pure' is explained in the next tweet.

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    7. Fraser Tweedale‏ @hackuador 15 Jul 2020

      'pure' comes from applicative and has the type 'a → k a' where 'k' is any applicative functor. 'pure' "lifts" a pure value into the context 'k'. For List, 'pure' returns a single-element list. For this discussion, the main reason to care about 'pure' is that the laws use it.

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    8. Fraser Tweedale‏ @hackuador 15 Jul 2020

      For me personally, the critical intuition for monad is that if you need to see "intermediate results" to continue a computation, you need monad. Monad is the weakest abstraction that gives you that power.

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    9. Fraser Tweedale‏ @hackuador 15 Jul 2020

      Some common Monad use cases: - null-checking (data types: Maybe/Optional/Option) - error-checking a la C, golang (data type: Either) - parsing (though in many cases Applicative is enough) - combinatorics, non-determinism and logic programming (List) /ends

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    10. Vincent Marquez‏ @runT1ME 15 Jul 2020
      Replying to @hackuador

      This is pretty good and succinct imo. @dibblego wdyt?

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      Tony Morris‏ @dibblego 15 Jul 2020
      Replying to @runT1ME @hackuador

      I think it's an excellent definition. However, I also prefer to then tie it to a practical usage to achieve internalisation. Then later, cycle back to the definition, and so on. i.e. it's how you arrive at "is a monoid in the category of endofunctors"

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        1. Fraser Tweedale‏ @hackuador 15 Jul 2020
          Replying to @dibblego @runT1ME

          Indeed practice is essential for learning. It doesn't matter how many times you say a precise definition at someone, if they do not practice using it. This is the monad tutorial fallacy :)

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