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    1. Saoirse Shipwreckt‏ @withoutboats 20 Aug 2018

      Saoirse Shipwreckt Retweeted Saoirse Shipwreckt

      If he were not such an arrogant jerk, he would've investigated a little further and discovered why monads are not an adequate solution for Rust. Here's a thread in which I explain this at length:https://twitter.com/withoutboats/status/1027702531361857536 …

      Saoirse Shipwreckt added,

      Saoirse Shipwreckt @withoutboats
      MONADS AND RUST A THREAD - or - why async/await instead of do notation
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    2. Saoirse Shipwreckt‏ @withoutboats 20 Aug 2018

      pic.twitter.com/vPd07BeTEM

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    3. Saoirse Shipwreckt‏ @withoutboats 20 Aug 2018

      so i wasnt going to say anything about these tweets until i saw that he said that the Rust project doesn't know "about those monad thingies"

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    4. Saoirse Shipwreckt‏ @withoutboats 20 Aug 2018

      its not only complete jerks like John de Goebbels: the functional programming community has a problem with suggesting the only reason someone wouldn't use their techniques is ignorance

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    5. Saoirse Shipwreckt‏ @withoutboats 20 Aug 2018

      No matter how well they can be analogized to a math formalism, your abstractions were *not* handed down to you from on high by the almighty

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    6. Saoirse Shipwreckt‏ @withoutboats 20 Aug 2018

      The Rust community contains a vast knowledge of PL theory, including deep and technical understandings of type theory and pure functional programming

      2 replies 4 retweets 56 likes
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    7. Saoirse Shipwreckt‏ @withoutboats 20 Aug 2018

      It makes me very angry when the knowledge of our community is dismissed from a place of complete ignorance about the technical challenges we are responding to

      3 replies 3 retweets 91 likes
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    8. Tony Morris‏ @dibblego 21 Aug 2018
      Replying to @withoutboats

      You don't understand the practical purpose of monads and now you are angry. Sucks to be you, doubly so.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    9. 10xEngiNieR: Automata‏ @mgattozzi 21 Aug 2018
      Replying to @dibblego @withoutboats

      If all you have is a Monad, everything begins to look like a >>=. We do understand. Many Rustaceans also have FP knowledge. Just because something works in one language does not mean it will in another. The thread they linked contained a very thorough explanation as to why.

      1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
    10. 10xEngiNieR: Automata‏ @mgattozzi 21 Aug 2018
      Replying to @mgattozzi @dibblego @withoutboats

      Boats has a very deep technical understanding of this stuff. To be dismissive of this as if people haven't spent the time to think this over, as if no thought process has gone into it, and discount years worth of technical and design work is saddening.

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      Tony Morris‏ @dibblego 21 Aug 2018
      Replying to @mgattozzi @withoutboats

      You don't understand the practical purpose of monads and now you are angry. and now you're sad? It's pretty obvious from reading the weirdly defensive justification that there is not a good understanding. It's OK to not understand a thing.

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        2. 10xEngiNieR: Automata‏ @mgattozzi 21 Aug 2018
          Replying to @dibblego @withoutboats

          Lmao I've worked using Haskell professionally for 3 years and used Rust for 3 years. I understand why we can't. Not gonna bother arguing with you further.

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        3. Tony Morris‏ @dibblego 21 Aug 2018
          Replying to @mgattozzi @withoutboats

          and I've been using Haskell professionally for 15 years, so what? It's OK to not understand some things, even if "used Haskell for years." I've seen it before. Today, I will not understand a thing. It's not a big deal. As to the weirdly defensive justification, it's bollocks.

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        1. werner von brawn‏ @myrrlyn 21 Aug 2018
          Replying to @dibblego @mgattozzi @withoutboats

          It's ok not to understand Rust. This attitude isn't helping anyone. It's okay to come back when you know what you're trying to say.

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