Tony Morris

Yes, even PHP.

Let's suppose the Cats/Typelevel shit never had happened. Would you think the same? I think not. I get that you're angry and that some of those guys were assholes, I think there is hope for Scala, and not just as a gateway drug to Haskell

Why do you think there are almost zero skilled programmers and skilled teachers using Scala? Where did they all go? Are they all angry too?

It's not like there are many skilled programmers at all, functional programming talk is pretty recent, 10 years ago the cloud did not exist and lambdas were "PhD stuff"

Total bullshit. I was writing Haskell in production at a product company 10 years ago, on a small team. I was also amusing myself with people saying shit like, "PhD stuff", and blowing them out of the water with a single line of code. Want to know what I was doing before that?

yes, what were you doing?

Writing Haskell at a different product company, on a team of programmers who were capable of programming, learning and teaching.

So you're telling me there were actual haskell jobs before 2010 that did not require academic credentials?