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    1. Oliver Hunt‏ @ohunt 26 Aug 2019
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      ..specifically gifted programs disproportionately select children of affluent and white families. This well established, at least in the US. The result is reduced funding for already disadvantaged groups. https://www.dispatch.com/news/20180329/income-race-big-factors-in-rates-of-gifted-students-here-across-us … https://washdiplomat.com/index.php?option%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D14060:minority-students-underrepresented-in-gifted-programs-%26catid%3D1548%26Itemid%3D428 …https://thinkprogress.org/how-gifted-and-talented-programs-reinforce-class-and-race-inequities-40d72e16355d/ …

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    2. Oliver Hunt‏ @ohunt 26 Aug 2019
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      In an ideal world this wouldn't be a problem because selection for "gifted" programs would be entirely objective. But it isn't. It's driven significantly by parental involvement (which means parents who can afford to spend time not working) as well as numerous other system biases

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    3. Oliver Hunt‏ @ohunt 26 Aug 2019
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      I also recall (but cannot find) a study that showed that being "gifted" does not correlate significantly to long term "success" (presumably a wealthy white definition of success, but the point stands). If that study isn't imaginary it provides support for dropping the programs.

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    4. Dan Guido‏ @dguido 26 Aug 2019
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      Gifted programs in NYC used to be diverse when they were created in the early 90s, then future mayors gutted pipelines feeding them, preferring to push private SHSAT cram programs. That's the root cause of the disparity.

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    5. Oliver Hunt‏ @ohunt 26 Aug 2019
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      maybe, but I'd want to see the actual in/out stats - it's equally possible that there was a lag between funding being diverted to gifted student programs and people pushing to get their kids in them.

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    6. Dan Guido‏ @dguido 26 Aug 2019
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      These proposals ignore what real constituents want, too. de Blasio gave up on a system that worked. It's typical, cut a government program by intentionally setting it up to fail. This story is about the corrosive effect of privatized test prep classes that only few can afford.pic.twitter.com/1MxSG68PMs

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    7. Oliver Hunt‏ @ohunt 26 Aug 2019
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      Constituents want X is not in of itself a justification - white people wanted segregation, slaves, etc. Constituents may also (incorrectly) believe that the biased representation is simply because their schools don't have the programs, not because of systemic bias.

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      But the core of my argument is very simple: you are depriving *more* kids of education if you are diverting funds to a specific subset of them that are "gifted". Especially if "Gifted" strongly correlates to race and class, and "gifted" doesn't match long term performance.

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      The last bit being that the whole concept of "gifted" in the "gifted student" programs is fairly flawed and has a questionable relevance to overall accomplishment. I would expect any student in a gifted program to do better in tests, simply because of more educational resources

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    10. Oliver Hunt‏ @ohunt 26 Aug 2019
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      To really convince me of the value of gifted student programs I'd need the program students to be selected randomly from the (say) top 50%, and see how that group compares to the remainder of the top 50%. Then compare that delta to regular gifted program performance.

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      Dan Guido‏ @dguido 26 Aug 2019
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      I fundamentally disagree with the core of your argument, sorry. Do you also think that you're depriving kids of education by diverting funds to a specific subset of them that have special needs?

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        2. Oliver Hunt‏ @ohunt 26 Aug 2019
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          no. My logic is as follows: the goal of public education to get all kids to the point of being successful as adults. Kids with learning disorders or other special needs have very real needs for different educational environment to achieve the same thing.

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        3. Oliver Hunt‏ @ohunt 26 Aug 2019
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          Whereas gifted student programs are predicated in the idea that some kids are intrinsically “better” than others, and so should receive a greater share of the available resources. Ignoring that the concept of being “gifted” is already mostly discredited.

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