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    Dennis‏ @dennisRamirez 11. pro 2019.
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    Another educational/kids game rant. This time about how the content is presented.pic.twitter.com/B4mJcqHoic

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      2. Dennis‏ @dennisRamirez 11. pro 2019.
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        When making an educational game there's always the fear that all the content *must* be seen.

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      3. Dennis‏ @dennisRamirez 11. pro 2019.
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        Worst yet, that the content has to be seen in a specific order, or that vocabulary words must be displayed because "how else will the player know that they learned?"

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      4. Dennis‏ @dennisRamirez 11. pro 2019.
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        A lot of these fears stem from assessment of these educational games. Assessing an open ended activity is really difficult. But an activity that has a linear structure is much more simple.

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      5. Dennis‏ @dennisRamirez 11. pro 2019.
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        If you know a vocabulary word and it's definition shows up about 1/4 of the way through the game, you can include a question about that word in the post test. If the game is non linear you have to do more open ended often qualitative assessments.

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      6. Dennis‏ @dennisRamirez 11. pro 2019.
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        Of course, the problem is does this mean that the player understands the concept, or that they're pretty good at picking up the definition of the word in the game?

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      7. Dennis‏ @dennisRamirez 11. pro 2019.
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        Let's use the Oregon Trail as an example. Every now and then I hear people say "Did the Oregon trail really teach you anything? I don't remember those dates." or something similar.

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      8. Dennis‏ @dennisRamirez 11. pro 2019.
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        I think this really highlights how we assess the effectiveness of this educational game. It's a game about history, so can you tell me dates? (this is a problem with teaching history in general, but I digress)

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      9. Dennis‏ @dennisRamirez 11. pro 2019.
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        Really, the goal of the Oregon trail was to have you connect with that period in history in a more meaningful way than just memorizing a timeline or reciting landmarks. Your experience on the Oregon Trail was something you could compare and contrast with first hand experiences.

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      10. Dennis‏ @dennisRamirez 11. pro 2019.
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        It was also meant to be played several times. Did you die the first time you played through? Why? How can you do better next time? Was it easier to play as a banker or a farmer? Why? Why does the banker have more money? Did that make a difference?

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      11. Dennis‏ @dennisRamirez 11. pro 2019.
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        Also, it's important to note that in the original version of the game if you died, your tombstone would be seen by those who played after you did *and* also those on the same network/instance. You could ask another player how they died to increase your chances of winning.

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      12. Dennis‏ @dennisRamirez 11. pro 2019.
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        This comparison/contrast of the individual experience was the goal. If every player had the same experience not only would it be dull, this sharing of stories wouldn't happen at all. Your story wouldn't be different form anyone else's. Your choices would be inconsequential.

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      13. Dennis‏ @dennisRamirez 11. pro 2019.
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        But, again, this experience would be hard to assess. You can't assess a player's mental model of life on the Oregon trail by simply asking them what Chimney rock was.

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      14. Dennis‏ @dennisRamirez 11. pro 2019.
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        I had the pleasure of talking to one of the creators of the Oregon trail about how he measured the games success. He shared with me that at the end of playtesting 50% of the kids who went through the game died before winning. he thought that was a good thing.

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      15. Dennis‏ @dennisRamirez 11. pro 2019.
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        The cool thing is, the mortality rate in the game roughly matched the mortality rate of the actual trail! (because the probability of the events occurring came directly from journals of people who traveled the trail)

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      16. Dennis‏ @dennisRamirez 11. pro 2019.
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        Cooler still is that you could have a lively discussion with the class by simply asking them "How many of you made it to the end? Why? How many of you didn't? Why?" Soon your class is talking about snakebites, the best time of the year to leave, and if you should ford your wagon.

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      17. Dennis‏ @dennisRamirez 11. pro 2019.
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        If you must include something that all players see, there are still ways to do it while still allowing for player choice. Narrative game designers have worked with this sort of problem for years:https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/329775/Video_How_devs_can_find_the_right_branching_narrative_structure.php …

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      18. Dennis‏ @dennisRamirez 11. pro 2019.
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        Yeah, it can be scary knowing that not every player is going to see all your content, but if the experience is interesting layers will want to see what would have happened if they made a different choice, and will probably replay the game. More time with the content is a win!

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      19. Dennis‏ @dennisRamirez 11. pro 2019.
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        If you're going to use a more open-ended game in say a classroom setting I would suggest taking a book club approach like the one above. Have everyone play the game, bring them back to talk abut their experiences, and then let them go back and play it again.

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      20. Dennis‏ @dennisRamirez 11. pro 2019.
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        If that structure seems familiar... it is! This approach is similar to the productive failure approach described by Kapur (https://www.manukapur.com/productive-failure/ …) and similar to the approach used by Papert as described in mindstorms (which was the basis for scratch and lego mindstorms)

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      21. Dennis‏ @dennisRamirez 11. pro 2019.
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        Yes, there is a certain level of trust you have to place in the player here. Some will replay the games and get a deeper experience, some won't... but it's also kinda absurd to expect players to simply absorb content by playing a game once anyway.

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      22. Dennis‏ @dennisRamirez 11. pro 2019.
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        We don't expect everyone who reads a text book to learn everything the first time they read it. We don't expect everyone to reach the same conclusions after reading a novel. We're holding the edugame to a higher standard than these materials if we do expect that from games.

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      23. Dennis‏ @dennisRamirez 11. pro 2019.
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        It's ok to hold these games to high standards. It's not ok to treat them like a silver bullet.

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