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    (((David Shor)))‏ @davidshor 25 Dec 2018

    I always forget that this isn’t well known, but it’s effectively impossible for an inter-faith couple to get married in Israel and it’s weird that doesn’t attract much criticism internationallypic.twitter.com/KFBGmaOxrn

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      2. רע‏ @gloombario 25 Dec 2018
        Replying to @davidshor

        Although to be fair. They recognize everything abroad and have common law marriage

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      3. Savage Jim‏ @jim_savage_ 25 Dec 2018
        Replying to @gloombario @davidshor

        Was about to ask this. Thanks.

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      5. (((David Shor)))‏ @davidshor 25 Dec 2018

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        Though it's something of a civil-unions situation in that it isn't 100% equal. Most of the country (everyone except for the Haredi and the arabs) supports creating a civil marriage authority, but it never happens because proportional representation is badhttps://twitter.com/davidshor/status/680603939327336448 …

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        (((David Shor))) @davidshor
        Xmas tweets about Israeli Politics: Civil marriage, despite being illegal, is very popular. Haredi/Arabs drive trend pic.twitter.com/7SRcnnM6Bc
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      6. (((David Shor)))‏ @davidshor 25 Dec 2018
        Replying to @davidshor @jim_savage_ @gloombario

        To talk about that more, they're the only party that historically was willing to coalition with either the left or the right as long as they got what they wanted on subsidies/military exception/religious authority stuff, so their parties have been part of every coalition since 48

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      7. Alon Levy‏ @alon_levy 25 Dec 2018
        Replying to @davidshor @jim_savage_ @gloombario

        That was true 30 years ago. Today the Haredis are part of the right-wing bloc. Likud doesn't do civil marriage because it doesn't want to.

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      8. (((David Shor)))‏ @davidshor 25 Dec 2018
        Replying to @alon_levy @jim_savage_ @gloombario

        Yeah, I said “historically” for a reason. (As an aside, Aryeh Deri is my third cousin!)

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      2. Rotem Eren 🤦🏻‏ @RotemEren 26 Dec 2018
        Replying to @davidshor @SilverVVulpes

        Definitely the way to change this narrow issue of Israeli domestic politics is to attract more criticism internationally. For people who don't know anything, Israel acknowledges such marriages from abroad so in practice people just take a little vacation with cheap airfare.

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      3. (((David Shor)))‏ @davidshor 26 Dec 2018
        Replying to @RotemEren @SilverVVulpes

        If you proposed a $300 tax on interfaith marriages in the US you would be brutally de-platformed and be loudly condemned by every institution with power in the entire country.

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      5. Rotem Eren 🤦🏻‏ @RotemEren 26 Dec 2018
        Replying to @tcjfs @davidshor @SilverVVulpes

        Among less liberal Israelis there is a taboo against marrying Arabs, although it is not nearly as strong as the inverse taboo. I am not aware of a taboo against intermarriage in general that is stronger than what you would find among comparably religious people in the diaspora.

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      7. Rotem Eren 🤦🏻‏ @RotemEren 26 Dec 2018
        Replying to @tcjfs @davidshor @SilverVVulpes

        Hiloni doesn't track liberalism especially well.

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      9. Rotem Eren 🤦🏻‏ @RotemEren 26 Dec 2018

        No, mizrahim who hate arabs are going to show up as hiloni.

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      1. (((David Shor)))‏ @davidshor 25 Dec 2018

        The whole "Arabs and Jews go to totally different school systems, the former of which historically have been heavily underfunded" thing is also pretty wild by western standards

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      2. Noah Honickman‏ @NoahHonickman 25 Dec 2018
        Replying to @davidshor

        The majority want it but it's nigh on impossible to form a government without the haredim. 🙁

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      3. Noah Honickman‏ @NoahHonickman 25 Dec 2018
        Replying to @NoahHonickman @davidshor

        also, the muslims and christians are probably just as, if not more in favor of religion based marriage than the jews.

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      4. (((David Shor)))‏ @davidshor 25 Dec 2018
        Replying to @NoahHonickman

        (((David Shor))) Retweeted (((David Shor)))

        Not *as* extreme as the Haredi but yeshttps://twitter.com/davidshor/status/680603939327336448 …

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        (((David Shor))) @davidshor
        Xmas tweets about Israeli Politics: Civil marriage, despite being illegal, is very popular. Haredi/Arabs drive trend pic.twitter.com/7SRcnnM6Bc
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      2. heretostayinformed‏ @justheretostay1 25 Dec 2018
        Replying to @davidshor

        So if the potential spouse converts and will keep Jewish laws and customs, it doesn't matter?

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      3. (((David Shor)))‏ @davidshor 25 Dec 2018
        Replying to @justheretostay1

        In theory yes, but it has to be an Orthodox conversion, which is an expensive multi-year process and involves adhering to customs (like for example, not being allowed to listen to women sing on saturdays) that most Jews don’t accept

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      4. heretostayinformed‏ @justheretostay1 25 Dec 2018
        Replying to @davidshor

        what a fascinating phenomenon! thank you for the thorough response.

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