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    (((David Shor)))‏ @davidshor 22 Dec 2018

    Recent bans on employers using credit checks to screen job applicants seem to have considerably increased black unemployment rates https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2759560 …pic.twitter.com/3KtH5Mjd6n

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      2. Nick Beaudrot‏ @nbeaudrot 22 Dec 2018
        Replying to @davidshor

        Yeah there are a bunch of these - ban the box, drug testing, licensing ...

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      3. Nick Beaudrot‏ @nbeaudrot 22 Dec 2018
        Replying to @nbeaudrot @davidshor

        probably the "level up" answer is some sort of Nordic flexicurity + trial-of-employment contract like they keep proposing in France leading to nationwide general strikes. Or at least unions, IDK.

        3 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
      4. Ieshua Kynnyd‏ @OrigenOfSpices 23 Dec 2018
        Replying to @nbeaudrot @davidshor

        Would unions make it worse by making it harder to fire an employee?

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      2. Aidan Rasmussen‏ @AR_Gov214 23 Dec 2018
        Replying to @davidshor

        So what’s the mechanism here? Employers can’t use individualized data, so they fall back on their racial bias heuristic?

        2 replies 0 retweets 15 likes
      3. Leisure Suit Larry‏ @nastyoldmrpike 23 Dec 2018
        Replying to @AR_Gov214 @davidshor

        Pretty much, any time you remove a way of screening people you fall back to simple heuristics.

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      2. The Timur Leng Opposer‏ @jfeldzy 22 Dec 2018
        Replying to @davidshor

        Is this because in the absence of discriminating by something that's (somewhat) correlated with race, they just discriminate directly by race

        2 replies 0 retweets 15 likes
      3. My Name is Jeff‏ @jnuzzi08 23 Dec 2018
        Replying to @jfeldzy @davidshor

        A good Economist article about this. They argue employers return to other signals that indicate employee quality, like education.https://www.economist.com/economics-brief/2016/07/23/secrets-and-agents …

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      1. Alexander Collado‏ @StratScholar 23 Dec 2018
        Replying to @davidshor

        reminds me of @jenniferdoleac 's work on ban-the-box: https://www.nber.org/papers/w22469 

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      2. Raphaël Jacquot‏ @sxpert1 23 Dec 2018
        Replying to @davidshor @Asher_Wolf

        It just shows that employers are inherently racists, as they perceive coloured people less trustful than whites.

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      3. okron‏ @okron8 23 Dec 2018
        Replying to @sxpert1 @davidshor @Asher_Wolf

        No it shows that employers want to avoid risks. There is additional risk in hiring a black in that if you fire him him, you can end up in a court accused of discrimination. This means you should be extra careful. If they then ban it, the results are obvious.

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      2. well loved stories‏ @ms_peaceweaver 22 Dec 2018
        Replying to @davidshor @NortjAnton

        Unsurprising if you look at average household wealth broken down by race :-\

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      3. AntonNortj‏ @NortjAnton 22 Dec 2018
        Replying to @ms_peaceweaver @davidshor

        The surprising or encouraging part is employers didn't respond with other ways to discriminate, as often happens with these initiatives - it actually resulted in increased AA employment

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Jack D. Collens‏ @jdcollens 23 Dec 2018
        Replying to @NortjAnton @ms_peaceweaver @davidshor

        No it didn’t - the ban resulted in lower AA hire rates, contrary to expectations.

        1 reply 1 retweet 9 likes
      5. Ben Wheeler‏ @bentwhee 23 Dec 2018
        Replying to @jdcollens @NortjAnton and

        Bans popular because most people have no idea how credit checks are used to screen hires. Employers don’t usually care about credit worthiness. They care about identity theft. If a burglar applies under a stolen identity, the credit check may screen him out.

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      6. Ben Wheeler‏ @bentwhee 23 Dec 2018
        Replying to @bentwhee @jdcollens and

        He will have trouble explaining how his credit history shows current rent payments for 3 years at an address where he doesn’t live. HR will refuse to hire for furniture delivery to customer homes. Take credit checks away and racial stereotypes are more often used instead.

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      7. well loved stories‏ @ms_peaceweaver 23 Dec 2018
        Replying to @bentwhee @jdcollens and

        Couldn’t the law permit access to the credit file for address confirmation only, then?

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      8. Ben Wheeler‏ @bentwhee 23 Dec 2018
        Replying to @ms_peaceweaver @jdcollens and

        That’s just as silly. How long does it take to update address information in a credit file? Reports have to be submitted to the CRA before the CRA posts in that section. The full credit report gives a much more complete view of an applicant’s history to compare to the resume.

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      9. well loved stories‏ @ms_peaceweaver 23 Dec 2018
        Replying to @bentwhee @jdcollens and

        I don’t understand what you mean?

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