Me: Conservative $ estimate @ big companies.
BigCo employees: Yep, very conservative.
Internet: Impossible! No one makes that much.
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Replying to @danluu
Two recent negotiation stories from peeps: 1. Senior at BigCo, not SF: asked for $450k total comp, company said yes, asked if they'd prefer relatively more bonus or RSUs. 2. Senior at SF unicorn: asked for $205k salary, company came back with $220k salary (plus equity).
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Replying to @danluu
Offer numbers from someone with two years of experience: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15841738 …pic.twitter.com/WCq4EgISsI
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Replying to @danluu
Median comp package at FB is $240k/yr (this number is skewed low since it's over all employees, not just engineers): https://www.wsj.com/articles/at-facebook-median-pay-tops-240-000-1523924535 …. Google, Amazon, etc. pay similarly. Combined, these companies employ > 100k programmers in the U.S out of maybe 3M-ish programmers
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Replying to @danluu
This tweet brought to you by the latest HN thread on comp, where people re-assure themselves that $ numbers like these are basically "big fish stories" and no one makes this much money. It's fine to turn down
. I've done it before. But please don't spread disinformation!pic.twitter.com/MiWGXMrmaJ
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Replying to @danluu
Your own numbers from the previous tweet suggest ~1/30 US devs earns that much, which is ~1.8 standard deviations, which seems very close to “at least one, possibly two”.
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Replying to @trishume
The comment seems like it must >= one of: * mistaken * fabricated * deliberately misleading It would be surprising if someone with 20 years of experience working as a programmer was at one of these companies didn't make that much and found the idea that HNers could laughable.
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He implies that people paid that well are so rare it's implausible that a few of them might comment in one thread, which can only be the case if $300k is extremely rare. He then asserts that he's in a position to know because he's at one of these companies.
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This doesn't seem possible unless it's something like, he isn't a programmer, or he doesn't work in the U.S., or he works part time, or he isn't actually at a company that pays well, etc.
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Replying to @danluu
My guess is that he’s at a company he considers “top”, maybe Fortune 500, but like you guess not one that pays everyone well (Something like IBM?). I think his company grouping isn’t good, but 1/30 is not in the realm I’m comfortable arguing his use of the word “outliers”.
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If you remove the first and last sentence from his comment (everyone commenting drives a Porsche and makes $300k, these threads are always good for a morning laugh), then there's a reading of his comment that's reasonable. But IMO you can't read the middle part in isolation.
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Replying to @danluu
Likely being excessively charitable, I can read the start and end as hyperbole for something like “hah! There’s a lot of super-pro people who breathe programming on HN, and they think merely average programmers like me can do as well as them, what a riot.”
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Replying to @trishume
I've heard people also say that and I object to that, too, although I'd phrase that objection differently. IMO, if you take a random programmer and have them do leetcode problems for 100 hours (perhaps less), they have decent odds of passing a BigCo whiteboard interview.
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