Been looking at Spacemacs since it's been recommended to me several times and so far I'm pretty shocked how user-hostile Emacs is.
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It sounds like the argument is that's the packages and not emacs? But when I use IDEA/PyCharm/CLion things just work, no packages necessary.
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If you make a tool that's useless out of the box, requiring either custom code or packages, you can't blame the user for using packages.
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