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    Dan Luu‏ @danluu 7 Sep 2017
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    What is RISC? https://danluu.com/risc-definition/ … Hint: it's not about the number of instructions.pic.twitter.com/2YLL4tBWkS

    9:16 AM - 7 Sep 2017
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      2. Dan Luu‏ @danluu Jul 29
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        Periodic reminder that basically every "RISC is obsolete" / "RISC is unscalable" article is based on a faulty assumption. RISC has never been about not having instructions like FJCVTZS.pic.twitter.com/1ozoH5MWgL

        "I wish I could also be excited, but to me, this is just a reminder that RISC architectures are fundamentally unscalable, and inevitably stop being RISC as soon as they need to be fast. People still call ARM a “RISC” architecture despite ARMv8.3-A adding a FJCVTZS instruction, which is “Floating-point Javascript Convert to Signed fixed-point, rounding toward Zero”. Reduced instruction set, my ass."
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      3. Dan Luu‏ @danluu Jul 30
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        To be fair, RISC is probably one of the worst named concepts in computer science. John Mashey spent a decade correcting people on Usenet and couldn't stem the tide of people who naively thought that the concept was defined by the name.

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      4. Dan Luu‏ @danluu Jul 30
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        People say dynamic programming is a ridiculous name, and it is, but at least it's merely meaningless.pic.twitter.com/vqz7qRD74N

        Twitter won't allow long enough alt text, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_programming#History for the screenshotted quote.
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      2. Justin Blank‏ @hyperpape 7 Sep 2017
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        Replying to @danluu

        Is there any index of these posts that aren't linked from the front page of http://danluu.com ?

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      3. Dan Luu‏ @danluu 8 Sep 2017
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        Replying to @hyperpape

        Not right now, unfortunately. They tend to be older, so you can get to them via the bottom left/right arrows, but that's pretty inconvenient

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      2. Fiora‏ @FioraAeterna 8 Sep 2017
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        Replying to @danluu @won3d @dbentley

        our architects (GPU, but still) have told us that the cost of icache (silicon for it + fetch cost) justifies almost any decode complexity

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      3. Fiora‏ @FioraAeterna 8 Sep 2017
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        Replying to @FioraAeterna @danluu and

        decode (including variable length) is just a few more wires: it's almost more of an overhead on the humans dealing with the ISA than RTL

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      2. Fabian Giesen‏ @rygorous 8 Sep 2017
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        Replying to @danluu @won3d @dbentley

        Any-length is definitely expensive, but 6-8 stages for fetch/decode is not really a fn of that - pretty typical even for "RISCier" designs.

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      3. Fabian Giesen‏ @rygorous 8 Sep 2017
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        Replying to @rygorous @danluu and

        E.g. ARM Cortex-A72 has 8-stage fetch+decode; Cortex-A73 has 4 stages fetch+decode, and IIRC the Cell PPE had 8 (was it 9?) despite

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      2. Fiora‏ @FioraAeterna 8 Sep 2017
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        Replying to @jhripley @danluu and

        well, yeah, the font size was small and the uop mappings weren't explained, just lists of inexplicable acronyms alongside opcodes

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        Replying to @FioraAeterna @jhripley and

        also, same architects had daydreams of a world where they could eliminate 32-bit ARM because it'd vastly simplify the chip.......

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