But when I looked at execution speed on actual projects (via backchannel communications), AWS was smoking both us and Google. In one case, I heard that they got the idea for a project from our product announcement and they still shipped before we did.
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They weren't moving fast and breaking things -- when I looked at 3rd party measured uptime, AWS was clearly #1 and we were going back and forth with Google for #2. This understates AWS's edge since they had fewer global outages and less flakiness that didn't count as downtime.
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The more I looked into this, the more impressed I was with Amazon engineering. But AFAICT this never translated into any kind of reputational change. I don't think this is unique to Amazon either. When I compare general reputation to what I can observe, they seem uncorrelated.
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BTW, I don't mean this thread as an attack on MS or Google. It's more that if I could take a sabbatical from my job and intern somewhere to learn from them, Amazon would be at the top of my list and I don't think many others would put any company in my top 3 in their top 50.
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What would be the other two (I mean, Amazon is an unsurprising pick for you- you've already worked at Google and Microsoft. I'm just curious if either Apple or Facebook is in your top 5)
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Unrelated, but I'd bet you that you're 95%ing and that most programmers who aren't In The Know would love to work at Amazon
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Being in the 95th percentile and assuming everybody else is as knowledgeable as you are, as in https://danluu.com/p95-skill/
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You'd be 95%ing if you went "nobody would read my thoughts on running a business, they all already know this stuff"
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I suspect my top pick that would surprise the most people would be Pivotal/CloudFoundry. They seem to actually value being nice. Almost everyone says they do, but if you looked at who gets hired and promoted, they clearly don't mean it. PCF seems to mean it.
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They also have a set of processes that values finding roles that are a good fit for people over PIPing or sidelining unproductive people. This seems to allow them to get value out of a larger fraction of their programmers than any other company I know of.
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Finding the right fit is so undervalued. An under-performer on one team can easily be a superstar on another — and the high costs of recruiting new engineers makes it even better.
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What is PIPing?
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Doing CYA process to fire someone.
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