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    1. Dan Luu‏ @danluu May 2
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      I've been surprised at how many people think it's reasonable for companies like Lyft and Google to cut intern pay IME, opportunity cost of having senior devs ramp up interns dominates monetary cost, making intern pay cuts pointless https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23047687 … https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22954012 …

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    2. Jonathan Paulson‏ @PaulsonJonathan May 2
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      What fraction of internship cost do you think intern salaries are? (I have no idea) If full-time employees are taking pay cuts, seems like interns should also take pay cuts (even just considering fairness, not finances)

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    3. Dan Luu‏ @danluu May 2
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      Based on what else I shipped last year, if I hadn't had an intern last year, I expect I would've shipped another $5M/yr of savings, i.e., profit, last year. We pay our interns ~$50/hr all in? 50*40*12 = 24k. If I assume a 4% interest rate, that's equivalent to ~$1k/yr, ~1/5000th

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    4. Jonathan Paulson‏ @PaulsonJonathan May 2
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      From the linked threads, Lyft was paying $10k/month not 2k/month. My guess is most internship’s senior dev time is worth less than $5M/yr (full time comp seems like a better baseline?); hard to believe the recruiting is worth the cost at that point.

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    5. Dan Luu‏ @danluu May 2
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      This is a different topic, but IMO, it's very difficult to defend hiring interns and non-senior devs on practical grounds and the case should be made on general principles or morals. I think people don't feel comfortable making that case and then make up bogus practical cases.

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    6. Dan Luu‏ @danluu May 2
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      I worked at a company that only hired senior devs or junior devs who needed little to no guidance (people who needed guidance were fired). That was the most productive company I've ever seen, the only team where I've encountered similar productivity is my current team, which

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      is full of senior devs (plus one younger dev who needs little to no guidance). We do take interns, I think PhD interns often don't need much guidance and can be a practical win, I view mentoring undergrad interns as something we do for non-pragmatic reasons.

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        2. Mateo Rodriguez‏ @mateornaut May 3
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          I've wondered. At my mid-size org: - huge classes (+15% to eng) - useful, if not critical work - <15% join full time Hard to justify, on ROI alone. But former interns are often excellent hires, with above-average tenures.

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        3. Mateo Rodriguez‏ @mateornaut May 3
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          I don't really know how to plug that into cost metrics for hiring in general. Interviewing is so expensive, with hit and miss results. Mentoring time is expensive too, but at least it is enjoyable.

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