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If you work in infra at BigCo and see the discounts they negotiate with vendors due to their market power (can sometimes be > 90%, depending on the market), do you think that the company behaves any differently when negotiating with labor, which has less power than vendors?
BTW, the person I'm quoting is probably worth 9 figures (co-founded a company whose 2015 valuation was mid 9 figures) and in the replies they say that programmers are rich enough because they make at least $60k/yr.
BTW, not calling them out in particular; this is common. Their even richer co-founder has complained that FB pushed up wages to unfair levels and has tried to convince people that they should work at places that pay worse because FB pays too much.https://twitter.com/danluu/status/784929052519837696 …
Since the most common response is that companies have little market power and therefore must pay well: Remember the time when Google, Apple, and almost every major tech company other than FB created and wage fixing agreement? https://danluu.com/google-wage-fixing/ …pic.twitter.com/26rWLLUZTT
There are so many smoking guns I don't even know which one is my favorite. Maybe the time that Steve Jobs (CEO of Apple) got Eric Schmidt (CEO of Google) to fire a recruiter who accidentally violated the wage fixing agreement. The CEO himself made sure the recruiter was fired.pic.twitter.com/JV1bORf3JA
If tech unions are a good idea, then they will inevitably happen, yes? I can sorta see this argument with the really big techcos which are today like their own nation states. Maybe they can *only* be changed from within, or via antitrust.
Maybe there's nuance I'm missing because the 280 char limit makes it hard to express an idea, but I don't agree, in general, that good ideas must win. I especially don't agree in cases when extraordinarily wealthy & powerful people, like yourself, benefit from the idea losing.
"why do programmers need unions?" Asks obscenely rich person who directly profits from programmers not unionising. :thinking:
One of the problems software developers face in the USA is that good people abroad would gladly accept a fraction of those $60k/yr (e.g. a junior developer for $3600/yr). A union would probably slow the process of moving jobs elsewhere.
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