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    Dan Luu‏ @danluu 13 Sep 2019
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    Dan Luu Retweeted Jeff Atwood

    I've never understood the position that people shouldn't unionize because they're rich. You know who's even richer? Execs. Tech companies have monopsony hiring power and use it to capture most of the value of labor, enriching execs with mid 8 figure to mid 11 figure net worth.https://twitter.com/codinghorror/status/1172279395035308032 …

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    Jeff AtwoodVerified account @codinghorror
    I will never understand the desire to "unionize" in tech. Why should rich people unionize? So they can get .. uh.. even more money?
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      2. Dan Luu‏ @danluu 13 Sep 2019
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        Even if you ignore marginalized groups, abuse, etc., I don't see why people think it's only fair that labor should negotiate individually when firms have monopsony power. This is highly asymmetrical, unions would make it more symmetrical, not create a socialist dystopia.

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      3. Dan Luu‏ @danluu 13 Sep 2019
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        If you work in infra at BigCo and see the discounts they negotiate with vendors due to their market power (can sometimes be > 90%, depending on the market), do you think that the company behaves any differently when negotiating with labor, which has less power than vendors?

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      4. Dan Luu‏ @danluu 13 Sep 2019
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        BTW, the person I'm quoting is probably worth 9 figures (co-founded a company whose 2015 valuation was mid 9 figures) and in the replies they say that programmers are rich enough because they make at least $60k/yr.

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      5. Dan Luu‏ @danluu 13 Sep 2019
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        Dan Luu Retweeted Dan Luu

        BTW, not calling them out in particular; this is common. Their even richer co-founder has complained that FB pushed up wages to unfair levels and has tried to convince people that they should work at places that pay worse because FB pays too much.https://twitter.com/danluu/status/784929052519837696 …

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        Dan Luu @danluu
        Over the past 10 years, Joel has gone from saying that his company pays well to saying that you shouldn't work at a place that pays well. pic.twitter.com/NFMQ3ZowkL
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      6. Dan Luu‏ @danluu 13 Sep 2019
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        Since the most common response is that companies have little market power and therefore must pay well: Remember the time when Google, Apple, and almost every major tech company other than FB created and wage fixing agreement? https://danluu.com/google-wage-fixing/ …pic.twitter.com/26rWLLUZTT

        Twitter won't allow the full quote due to length, this is the section in the doc that ends with "long-term . . . right approach is not to deal with these situations as one-offs but to have a systematic approach to compensation that makes it very difficult for anyone to get a better offer."
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      7. Dan Luu‏ @danluu 13 Sep 2019
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        There are so many smoking guns I don't even know which one is my favorite. Maybe the time that Steve Jobs (CEO of Apple) got Eric Schmidt (CEO of Google) to fire a recruiter who accidentally violated the wage fixing agreement. The CEO himself made sure the recruiter was fired.pic.twitter.com/JV1bORf3JA

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      2. Erica "digifox" Kovac‏ @digitalfox0 13 Sep 2019
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        Replying to @danluu @whitequark

        Furthermore the belief that unionization is just about money/benefits/perks is also really peculiar and incorrect. It's about self-determination as well. The ability of workers to shape their workplace. I want someone on the board to ensure that my employer adheres to my values.

        2 replies 0 retweets 32 likes
      3. Erica "digifox" Kovac‏ @digitalfox0 13 Sep 2019
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        Replying to @digitalfox0 @danluu @whitequark

        Having to constantly worry whether my employer is doing something embarassing/unethical/stupid is a huge part of my QoL as it relates to my employment.

        0 replies 1 retweet 19 likes
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      2. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 13 Sep 2019
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        Like, have people like this heard of the NBA Players Association?

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      3. Brian Mastenbrook‏ @bmastenbrook 13 Sep 2019
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        Or the SAG!

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