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    1. Dan Luu‏ @danluu 7 Sep 2019
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      I've wondered about this. Anecdotally, the place I've worked with the best quality didn't do code review (maybe three "serious" user-visible bugs during the 8 years I was there, one of which was a fab issue that couldn't have been caught with any amount of code review).https://twitter.com/skamille/status/1169765800829435904 …

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      Camille FournierVerified account @skamille
      Has anyone researched whether the benefit derived from mandatory code review are actually bigger than the cost of the slowdown in productivity waiting for approvals?
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      Dan Luu‏ @danluu 7 Sep 2019
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      I know of a few places where people say that code reviews are the reason they have such great code quality (I've even worked at one of those places), but AFAIK they all ship a lot more bugs while moving slower.

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        2. Roman Leventov‏ @leventov 8 Sep 2019
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          There is actually research about this. Steve McConnell reports modal defect removal efficiency of 35% for design reviews; 55% formal design inspections; 25% (i. e. LOW) code reviews; 60% formal code inspections; 65% modelling or prototyping; 30% unit test;

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        3. Roman Leventov‏ @leventov 8 Sep 2019
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          35% integration test; 25% regression test; 40% system test; 35% low-volume beta test; 75% high-volume beta-test. Reported in "Software Estimation" book (2006), sources: Jones 1986, Jones 1996, Shull et al 2002

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        1. Christopher Saunders‏ @chris_saunders 7 Sep 2019
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          I found they were mostly “useful” for nitpicking coding style and how the reviewer would solve the problem differently. Sometimes bugs or edge cases were thought up but it wasn’t super common. I think tooling with rules enforcement would be more valuable.

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        1. Paul Khuong‏ @pkhuong 7 Sep 2019
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          I think review is most effective either as a post-commit communication tool, or pre-commit when the author feels it makes sense. I also think a lot of folks at that CR place forget that their incoming reviews are blocking others, which sabotages the whole team's velocity.

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        1. Guillermo Winkler‏ @guilespi 7 Sep 2019
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          how do you know how many bugs they would be shipping without code reviews?

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        1. Noah Zucker‏ @noahlz 7 Sep 2019
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          Our team does not do review for "catching bugs." We have regression tests (unit, selenium, postman) for that. If cr catches a bug, it's an unexpected benefit. No, code review is about growing the team and situational awareness.

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        1. Heath Borders‏ @heathborders 7 Sep 2019
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          Since code reviews are a common mentorship technique, how did the place without code review grow junior engineers?

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        1. Rahul Saxena‏ @rksio 7 Sep 2019
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          Reviewing code as a way of finding bugs is the same as writing code and calling it “implemented”. — Software quality is property of the deployment. Not a property of the source code.

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        1. JPP‏ @aglossa 7 Sep 2019
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          And pair programming in your experience ?

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        1. srikanth, or the creature of perpetual dilemma‏ @seekanthu 7 Sep 2019
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          What do you think is the reason of high quality at the place you worked earlier

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