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    1. Dan Luu‏ @danluu May 19
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      I've only seen a few of his talks, can't speak to his talks in general, but the ones I've seen have all been "big idea" talks, which (IMO) usually don't work well outside of Bret Victor-style inspirational talks. Most of these talks (w/any speaker) end up being a rorschach test.

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    2. Dan Luu‏ @danluu May 19
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      I'm trying to put together a specific "small idea" talk and it's hard to explain clearly. One single example, which would be a preface in a blog post or 1 of 8 examples in a book chapter, takes 10min to work through, half of the talk time. Talks are a very low bandwidth medium.

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    3. Dan Luu‏ @danluu May 19
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      In 99% of "big idea" talks I see that try to explain why you should do something, the "why" is woefully underdetermined and you can use the same style of reasoning to justify the opposite thing. This isn't to say these can't work, there are some that work.

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    4. Dan Luu‏ @danluu May 19
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      Gary's talked (mentioned above) is arguably a "big idea" talk and it works. But Gary is careful to frame "big" topics in a way that they can be explained adequately in a short talk. IMO, this is rare and most talks in this class end up being a horoscope.

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    5. Dan Luu‏ @danluu May 19
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      A talk saying "remove unnecessary complexity and embrace simplicity" is not so different than the daily horoscope column, which reads "recent turning points in your life have taught you flexibility, and now you need to put those lessons to work"

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    6. Justin Blank‏ @hyperpape May 20
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      One pet hypothesis of mine is that we _need_ conflicting or ambiguous advice. In Go (the game), an enormous amount of advice takes the form of proverbs or patterns that are only applicable some of the time.

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    7. Justin Blank‏ @hyperpape May 20
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      There are people who try to distill those proverbs to laws that can be applied without any ambiguity. I believe those attempts fail, or only capture things that are uninteresting.

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    8. Justin Blank‏ @hyperpape May 20
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      The way to progress is to develop pattern matching skill, so that you can sense what the appropriate proverb/pattern to apply in a given situation.

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    9. Justin Blank‏ @hyperpape May 20
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      I'm not arguing against clarity or simplification. Just that I think that *some* of the vague talks are worthwhile.

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    10. Dan Luu‏ @danluu May 20
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      I don't disagree with this approach in principle, but for this to work, I think you need something like you get in chess tactics puzzle books: a ton of problems that let you hone your intuition. It seems difficult for a talk to provide this.

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      Dan Luu‏ @danluu May 20
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      IMO, another difference is that we have a decent idea of what works in chess and basically no idea about what works in programming. (Again IMO,) this means a justification of the idea is required in a way that's not true in chess and this is almost never provided in talks.

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        2. Dan Luu‏ @danluu May 20
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          I mean, some kind of justification is usually provided, but rarely one I find compelling. An example would be, types are pointless because you end up with function signatures like (float, float, float, ...) with 17 floats, which isn't helpful (actual example from a RH talk).

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        3. Adrian Rueegsegger‏ @Kensan42 May 23
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          @threadreaderapp Kindly unroll.

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        2. Justin Blank‏ @hyperpape May 21
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          I’d dispute that about Go (I think it’s true of chess as well, but I know more about Go). Of course, we observe that a given player wins or loses, or is better than us. But we don’t necessarily have an adequate reasoned justification for why a move is good.

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        3. Justin Blank‏ @hyperpape May 21
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          So the expert says “don’t play here, play here”, and the normal player says “it doesn’t make sense to me”, and the expert can’t really say anything convincing. They just have to say “trust me”.

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