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    1. Hillel‏ @hillelogram 14 Apr 2019
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      When I complained about how ill-defined "simple" was, a lot of people pointed me to Hickey's "simple made easy". Here's a challenge about that: Provide code that is simple but not easy. Then provide code in the same language, doing the same thing, that is easy but not simple.

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    2. Dan Luu‏ @danluu 15 May 2019
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      Took me a while to get to it, but I re-watched this talk as a result of your tweet and the most striking thing to me is how it's a series of reasonable sounding but totally unsupported and often ill-defined and/or unfalsifiable claims.

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    3. Dan Luu‏ @danluu 15 May 2019
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      Like, "we can only hope to make reliable those things we can understand". Sounds reasonable, how can you argue with that? But, in fact, this is quite common in engineering. A lot of engineering is making reliable things we don't understand!pic.twitter.com/lGzSb0m1bq

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    4. Dan Luu‏ @danluu 15 May 2019
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      When I worked on flash mem (2001), I read the literature on how it worked. At the time, the exact physical mechanism by which some things happened wasn't understood. There were theories, but multiple theories were consistent with what was observed. But we can make flash reliable!

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    5. Dan Luu‏ @danluu 15 May 2019
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      And to the extent that it's not reliable, we can describe when we expect it to be unreliable and what the odds are. Someone might argue that this is equivalent to "understanding", but that's your point, I think -- the talk is so vague it can mean whatever you want.

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      Dan Luu‏ @danluu 15 May 2019
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      He has this idea that composing simple components is the way to make robust systems and that abstractions over complexity are worthless.Sounds reasonable, but we manage to build reliable chips even though the underlying physical mechanics we abstract over are tremendously complexpic.twitter.com/ESbBbYQKgB

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        2. Dan Luu‏ @danluu 15 May 2019
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          The big productivity boosts have been abstractions that hide but don't eliminate underlying complexity. Gate-level design instead of transistor-level design, RTL instead of schematic capture, synthesis instead of doing raw circuit design, etc.

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        3. Dan Luu‏ @danluu 15 May 2019
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          Later, he says you should just use data structures because they're "simple". Imagining the same idea in EE: no gates, only do layout because it's simpler. Metal, poly, and n/p-wells are "simple", why complicate things with gates? We're EEs, it's all physical layout in the end.pic.twitter.com/uEiZ1CY7Zk

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        1. James / ジェームズ‏ @jgerity 15 May 2019
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          Even worse, this sounds super reasonable...until you confront the reality that every single component of a system can work (to specification, even!), and the system can still fail! Focusing on "simple" and driving down granularity means more composition, means more system edges!

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