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    Dan Luu‏ @danluu Apr 9
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    I hear people say that shorter lines = better, but when I check the primary sources, I find that they have no primary source or that longer lines are arguably better. Is there an actual study on this that studies reading "long" lines that finds that they're obviously worse?pic.twitter.com/zxWSJucVPT

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      2. Dan Luu‏ @danluu Apr 9
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        If you actually read the sources from the "well sourced" wikipedia page, you'll find that it's common that the longest line length tested = the highest reading speed. This is consistent with studies not linked from that page. http://www.makinggood.ac.nz/media/1266/ling_2006_fonts.pdf … https://web.archive.org/web/20150619221256/http://psychology.wichita.edu/surl/usabilitynews/72/LineLength.asp …

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      3. Dan Luu‏ @danluu Apr 9
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        There's obviously some limit -- a 40 foot long line surely reduces reading speed, but it seems like no one's tried to find the limit? When I talked to designers/typographers, they pull rank and tell me that "experts" know that shorter=better, but they also can't refer to sources

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      2. Bole‏ @decivilizator Apr 10
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        So you’d rather trust nerd-driven studies conducted by a few random academics and institutions than results from trial-and-error tinkering and centuries of experience? If you’re looking for authority on the subject, see work of Jan Tschichold.

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      3. Dan Luu‏ @danluu Apr 10
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        Replying to @decivilizator

        This is the same argument people used against bringing data analysis into sports, trading, and (a very long time ago, phrased differently) various kinds of manufacturing, etc. What could nerds possibly know about the real world?

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      2. Emily Strickland‏ @emilyst Apr 9
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        i wrote about this not TOO long agohttps://twitter.com/emilyst/status/1074214370278658048 …

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        Screenshot showing a block of rather obtuse Vimscript with comments for each function. The comments wrap at seventy-two columns and go on for several lines explaining each function in detail.
        Emily Strickland @emilyst
        Cool and fun fact: you can hard-wrap comment lines any ol’ place you want. Shorter lines are rad. I tend to wrap mine at 72 columns. Why just 72? Studies have shown shorter lines get read more easily and *accurately*. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1071581905001679 … pic.twitter.com/zVcp23JaE1
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      3. Emily Strickland‏ @emilyst Apr 9
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        Replying to @emilyst @danluu @jckarter

        There's a kind of rationale having to do with being unable to saccade effectively with longer distances to cover (once your periphery loses track of where you're saccading to, you tend to have to search a bit).

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      2. Jeroen Ruigrok‏ @ashemedai Apr 9
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        It comes mostly back to print typesetting and all the lessons learned there. Depending on the layout you go for, it's between 40-70 characters per line. Keep in mind that that also needs proper size, line spacing and letter spacing.

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      3. Jeroen Ruigrok‏ @ashemedai Apr 9
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        Obviously for screens the rules change slightly. There's at least this study about the effect of font sizes and some other settings: https://pielot.org/pubs/Rello2016-Fontsize.pdf … I vaguely remember Bill Hill, of ClearType fame, discussing relevant bits in the past, see e.g.https://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Dan/Bill-Hill-The-Future-of-Reading-on-the-Web-Part-1 …

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      2. _‏ @andrewfnewman Apr 9
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        The discussion part of this paper is pretty good. Paper vs screen and character density vs line size, margins and faster reading up to 100 characters. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060729105544/psychology/images/e/eb/Dyson,_M_C_(2004).pdf …

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        There are also papers on how experts vs novices read code differently. Also, the lack of readability hampers people’s ability to code not problem solving ability http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.721.5852&rep=rep1&type=pdf …

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