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    1. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 22

      Dropping down to object-level for a minute. Time for a very brief discussion about the Canadian Psychologist. THREAD

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    2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 22

      In conversations I've had with people (both online and offline) I've been put in the position, sometimes, of apparently defending the guy. I've also, on different occasions, been put in the position of criticizing him pretty strongly. It looks contradictory maybe so time to talk.

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    3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 22

      I've defended him where I've seen people regurgitating smears made against him. I've defended him where I've seen people badly misunderstand or misinterpret him (often willfully, sometimes innocently). I've defended him against being dismissed too lightly or called a charlatan.

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    4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 22

      I've criticized him where I've perceived his political alliegances and policy preferences to be bad fits for the problems we're facing. This is really simple stuff. He's a traditionalist conservative and that's not what the present moment calls for, in my opinion.

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    5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 22

      That said, he's relatively "liberal" (not in the partisan sense, but in the broader philosophical sense) for a tradcon. relatively tolerant and practices a kind of dignity-culture derived civility norm by default (though he has a temper and can become combative at times).

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 22

      I've known many tradcons in my life and the vast majority of them have been good friends and neighbors. I don't think I've voted for the same politicians as them even once. That's fine though. I don't require or desire total political agreement with my friends and neighbors.

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        2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 22

          Why do I consider Peterson with listening to and talking about even though I disagree with his politics in so many ways? Because politics is not 100% of my reality. It's not a litmus test I apply for ideas to be interesting or worthwhile to explore and learn from.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 22

          Yes I do think Peterson has ideas that are worth exploring. I consider him to be an insightful synthesizer of quite a lot of the best work in philosophy and psychology from the 19th and 20th centuries. I don't find his work to be extremely original. It's a synthesis after all.

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        4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 22

          There's immense value in synthesizing disparate ideas from the past and finding new relationships between them. There's immense value in examining ideas to understand the history that went alongside those ideas. Peterson is good at this.

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        5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 22

          Where do I think Peterson gets it wrong (besides his tradcon politics)? I think he has identified approximately half of what's the matter with late 20C and contemporary thought. He's correct that there's a nihilistic streak in PoMo. He's correct that Marxism is a bad idea.

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        6. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 22

          That's the half he got right. He's wrong that PoMo is necessarily Marxist. That's an accident. Those French PoMos were Marxists but it's not essential. He's wrong that PoMo language deconstruction and social constructivism are dead ends. They were revolutionary ideas.

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        7. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 22

          Our culture seems to be stuck in a dead end now though and maybe the nihilistic streak of PoMo is really partially responsible here. It really has failed to build a new foundation in the gap left by the fallout of the 20C violent conclusion to Modernism.

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        8. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 22

          Peterson's tradcon politics has given him a blindspot where he has failed to fully come to terms with the new epoch we're moving in to: technological mediation, global networking, dissolution of national culture, the rise of rhizome culture. He's pre-internet and it shows.

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        9. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 22

          That's not a reason to dismiss him as a charlatan. I think it's quite worthwhile to understand what happened in 20C, to not become ahistorical and risk repeating the tragedies of our recent past. Peterson's examination of the psychology of totalitarianism is worth listening to.

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        10. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 22

          Peterson also has a much better message for alienated and disaffected young people (and young men especially) than the alternatives. Would you rather Peterson told them to "clean their rooms" or would you rather they become NazBol proto-totalitarians? Yeah, I thought so.

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        11. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 22

          Seriously, don't throw shade on the guy who specializes in directing young men AWAY from violent totalitarian movements. Every ignorant knee-jerk leftist who conflates Peterson's tradcon-ism with "alt right neo-nazism" is making a terrible and tragic mistake. He's the opposite.

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        12. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 22

          If you've stayed with me this far, thanks for reading. Concluding words: get over your tribal political commitments and listen to the man with an open mind. He has something important to say.

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