Hmm, Jordan Peterson sees the privileging of group identity over the individual as a left-wing thing. I see it as essentially being a fascist thing, and that the whole left/right business is little more than a figleaf over that.
yeah that's what I mean. all fascisms are authoritarian tribalisms. there are perhaps some authoritarian tribalisms that aren't fascisms? I can imagine an authoritarian tribalist system that isn't strictly about rule by force and domination of the outgroup.
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hmm... would that be a real tribalism though? Isn't a tribe (politically speaking) an ingroup and thus requires an outgroup? In the end one can argue that it's tribalisms all the way down, it's just that global humanism includes everyone in the tribe...
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traditional tribal societies can absolutely be authoritarian (rule by a chief who's authority is unquestionable) but are not necessarily fascist (institutions and traditions in place to resolve conflicts without resort to violence/force)
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hmm, I suspect the resort to force is always in the background. If there's no clearly defined internal or external enemy though, then I'd agree that's not fascism. Fascism for me, is the control of a populace via the selection/invention of a threat or enemy.
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but for me, once everyone's in the tribe, it's not a tribe any more, it's something else.
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