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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 14
      Replying to @palecur @chaosprime

      yes

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    2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 14
      Replying to @danlistensto @palecur @chaosprime

      ok look, I don't care that there's at least 200 pages too many in the second Kvothe book. I don't care that there's an entire cringe inducing plot arc that seems like little more than cheesecake for my 13 year old horndog lonely kid self. I'm ok with all of that.

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 14
      Replying to @danlistensto @palecur @chaosprime

      I don't even care that he named the goddamn thing "Kingkiller Chronicle" and it's almost certain that the eponymous king killing ain't gonna happen, or at least not in any obvious way, in the first 3 books.

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    4. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur May 14
      Replying to @danlistensto @chaosprime

      I absolutely care that it's badly written, incredibly shitty about gender, and the protagonist is the most gigantic Gary Stu in any book I've read in the last 20 years. YMMV tho.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 14
      Replying to @palecur @danlistensto

      the writing seems pleasant enough to me but those other things, oh for sure. i love me some Kvothe the way i love me some Entenmann's: indulging luxuriously in something i know is cheap and bad for me

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 14
      Replying to @chaosprime @palecur @danlistensto

      i do cringe a little every time i accidentally become aware of how many people are consuming it without knowing it's bad for them though

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    7. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 14
      Replying to @chaosprime @palecur

      I guess? I mean, god knows I read through a shit ton of Ed Greenwood and Bob Salvatore pulp crap as a kid but I don't think it was "bad for me". It didn't prevent me from reading actually good books later. Cultivated the pleasure of reading so I would actually do that.

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    8. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 14
      Replying to @danlistensto @palecur

      i mean i ain't got no high horse or nothin', i've read plenty of Greenwood and Salvatore but even more Piers Anthony. there's a cornpone thread in these kinds of things that i do think fucks people up if they become dependent on it, though, like that's how you get Comicsgate ppl

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    9. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 14
      Replying to @chaosprime @palecur

      I don't follow. Reading a book as a kid will make you into an uncharitable reader as an adult with political grievances and an ax to grind on Facebook or something? hwat?

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    10. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur May 14
      Replying to @danlistensto @chaosprime

      I think more of a thing where a reading diet consisting solely of D&D tie-ins constrains intellectual development and leaves one open to regarding challenges to that universe as attacks on one's own identity. Which is the core of goobergrape.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 14
      Replying to @palecur @chaosprime

      well that's a pretty sad outcome. hard to reason about counterfactuals, but if you're talking about a person with that degree of incuriosity and ego fragility, it's not the pulp fantasy novels that's fucking up their emotional and intellectual development.

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        2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 14
          Replying to @danlistensto @palecur

          enh, yes and no. there's a feedback loop between the pathologies we bring to our indulgences and the ways our indulgences reinforce our pathologies and i don't think it's as simple as saying one is blameful and one is blameless

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 14
          Replying to @chaosprime @palecur

          looks like we're doing a Lacanian reading after all

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur May 14
          Replying to @danlistensto @chaosprime

          isn't that just a meta-Freudian 'everything is 8 symbolic layers deep' thing or do you mean something else by the term

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        5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 14
          Replying to @palecur @chaosprime

          ok the first time I was talking about doing psychodynamic readings of fictional characters. this time I was making a joke that we're now psychologizing the outgroup in a twitter thread.

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        6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 14
          Replying to @danlistensto @palecur

          i just want to put in here re psychologizing the outgroup that i'm extremely like all the motherfuckers i have the most hate for (movement incels, *gators), have veered insanely close to winding up like them and any commentary i make is extremely there-but-for-the-grace-of-Eris

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        7. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 14
          Replying to @chaosprime @danlistensto @palecur

          i psychologize them from the perspective of having jumped off the cliff and caught a branch and extrapolating to what it might have been like to hit bottom

          1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
        8. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 14
          Replying to @chaosprime @palecur

          I mean, same, though I never got as far as jumping. Just a nice long gaze into the abyss.

          0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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        2. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur May 14
          Replying to @danlistensto @chaosprime

          I'd agree it's a proximate, not a root, cause, but *gestures broadly all around* these folk ain't in short supply.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 14
          Replying to @palecur @chaosprime

          I really think the bigger problem is just that these people aren't correctly ignored and are now plugged in to the grievance-industrial complex like everyone else in the god damn world. there's always shitty people who won't shut up with their tedious complaints. just ignore.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. NaNoDolo 📖  🖋️‏ @AmbrosialArts May 14
          Replying to @danlistensto @palecur @chaosprime

          NaNoDolo 📖  🖋️ Retweeted Chaos

          I'm inclined to synthesize this and Chaos' take: people who are treated as if they are the most important thing by society will prey on the easy source of food (by which I mean attention).https://twitter.com/chaosprime/status/996100724466561024 …

          NaNoDolo 📖  🖋️ added,

          Chaos @chaosprime
          Replying to @danlistensto @palecur
          reading dozens of books that pervasively flatter you in ways you don't notice (because everything you read does it) can, if you get real used to it, cause you to become shocked and angered by exposure to books that unaccountably fail to flatter you
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        5. NaNoDolo 📖  🖋️‏ @AmbrosialArts May 14
          Replying to @AmbrosialArts @danlistensto and

          A book can prime you for this kind of behavior but probably is not sufficient on its own. qv. people who can find a link between video games and violence but mostly in people who are already risk factors for violence e.g. no friends, abusive home, etc. reality sure is polycausal

          2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
        6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 14
          Replying to @AmbrosialArts @danlistensto @palecur

          it's like it *wants* to break our shiny abstractions

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        7. End of conversation

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