Zen = Taoism
Zen Buddhism = Institutionalization of Taoism within a Buddhist frame
@Meaningness @Failed_Buddhist @danlistensto
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Zen = Taoism
Zen Buddhism = Institutionalization of Taoism within a Buddhist frame
@Meaningness @Failed_Buddhist @danlistensto
@DBolellipic.twitter.com/N5CB4Ga3WW
Nice. Saying something that gets you physically removed requires real balls. FreeSpeech™ advocates don't dare to do that.
@danlistensto I think it's important to know the historical genealogy of ideas. People usually consider Zen to be a type of Mahayana Buddhism, but I've always found the main messages of Zen contradicting with most religious Mahayana beliefs.
Learning that Zen actually evolves from Taoism clarified a lot of my confusions about how the zen teachings and practices came about, since Zen is so different from standard Mahayana.
I can see the usefulness of it. I learned about/studied Taoism first and came to Buddhism and the Zen tradition later. There was never any confusion for me, but that was my own path. Understanding the history is definitely a good thing.
I tend to study a billion different things concurrently. Always felt the link between Zen and Buddhism was weak and that it was more like Taoism, but I didn't have the evidence to prove it until now.
I think I disagree that it's a weak link, or even that there's anything to "prove". Bodhidharma (or whoever the real historical figure was) _did_ transmit dhyana yoga and madhyamaka to China and there would be no mystery school called ch'an/zen without that.
China was an advanced society at the time that already had a deeply rooted mystical tradition though, so of course the two blended, rather than one superseding the other and becoming dominant in an orthodox form. Zen is very heterodox because of this blending.
the mutual compatibility of Indic and Sinic non-dualism is not surprising at all. they seem to synergize well actually, sort of covering the gaps of each other and forming a more coherent metaphysics when combined.
to map that out more clearly, and please bear with me since it's a metaphor and not meant to be a strong claim about anything, we have two really important physical principles that are mostly unaccounted for in Western metaphysics but are pointed to clearly in Eastern metaphysics
the first is deep time and evolution. this is something that the Indic traditions with their ideas of karma and dharma accounts for meaningfully. the second is the idea of entropy and thermodnyamic equilibrium. Taoism is very explicitly about this in an almost uncanny sense.
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