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    1. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist May 3
      Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @Plinz and

      Ex: Claims made in Vipassana are inherently experiential. Thus they can only be understood by experience. Nothing divine about it. In vipassana, you learn the nature of experience. In science, you learn how physical systems behave/function. They are completely separate projects.

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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz May 3
      Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @michaelgarfield and

      I tend to disagree. Science is simply the systematic, criticizable pursuit of knowledge. The nature of experience is a kind of knowledge, and separation is not the right way. Vipassana may have a scientific and a practical and a cultural aspect.

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    3. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist May 3
      Replying to @Plinz @michaelgarfield and

      That's actually a fair point, and I happen to think that vipassana is a scientific practice, insofar as what you're doing is testing empirical hypotheses about the nature of mind. The methods of experimental methodology are just different from those of "Western" science.

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    4. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist May 3
      Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @Plinz and

      I tend to make the distinction because contemplative study cannot quite utilize the process of peer-review or logical or statistical reasoning. You can't arrive at gnostic knowledge through data, or information in general, because the knowledge isn't a matter of information.

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz May 3
      Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @michaelgarfield and

      Science is not defined by methods but by being methodical. Introspection must be accepted as an important paradigm in cognitive science, and even when only have to explain the phenomenon of people reporting a phenomenon we must do so.

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    6. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist May 3
      Replying to @Plinz @michaelgarfield and

      Try telling that to Dawkins, or Dennett, or... pretty much any big-time scientist or philosopher with a sizable influence in the intellectual public sphere.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz May 3
      Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @michaelgarfield and

      I think they would fully agree! They may just hesitate to take all conclusions of spiritual teachers at face value, before being convinced of the merits of their arguments and interpretations.

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    8. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue May 3
      Replying to @Plinz @Failed_Buddhist and

      I've seen a lot of IYI nonsense from Dawkins, Dennett, and Pinker. I don't think I could ever take any of the seriously.

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz May 3
      Replying to @MimeticValue @Failed_Buddhist and

      As an undergrad, I got introduced to a number of groundbreaking ideas by the books and lectures of all three of them. These ideas are still considered to be mostly true today! I owe them a great debt.

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    10. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue May 4
      Replying to @Plinz @Failed_Buddhist and

      I've never read them. They just sounded really stupid on video, making some very basic logical errors. I used to like Sam Harris until I found Taleb, who I derived far more utility from.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 4
      Replying to @MimeticValue @Plinz and

      Dawkins in particular specializes in sounding stupid on video. I do recommend reading The Selfish Gene and maybe also The Ancestor's Tale. His writings on evolutionary biology are quite good. I enjoyed Pinker's book The Language Instinct. Haven't been impressed by his others.

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        2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 4
          Replying to @danlistensto @MimeticValue and

          Dennett has written tons of short articles and I can't recall off the top of my head which is the best starting point, but it's worth learning his perspective. I strongly disagree with his reductionist stance but he articulates that stances very well.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 4
          Replying to @danlistensto @MimeticValue and

          Dennett comes across as a huge jerk in person (I've met him a couple of times) so you'll have to forgive his personality when judging his ideas. Same with Dawkins. Similar personality issues. Well mannered jerks. Pinker is at minimum an actually nice person (or LARPs it well).

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        4. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue May 4
          Replying to @danlistensto @Plinz and

          My criticism of them isn't that they are nice/mean, they are just plain wrong once you understand the Talebean perspective on risk. Pinker is actually too nice. I find him hypocritical for being for free speech, but never actually saying anything risky or offensive.

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        5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 4
          Replying to @MimeticValue @Plinz and

          he's said plenty of risky/controversial things lately. insofar as it's become controversial to pro-actively defend Western enlightenment (i.e. science and reason and secularism and liberalism) in left-wing academic settings in this current political clusterfuck.

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        6. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 4
          Replying to @danlistensto @MimeticValue and

          he's also argued against the "blank slate" view of mind (he has a whole book about this topic called The Blank Slate) which is a very controversial topic. it seems uncontroversial to us, perhaps, because it's just obvious that biology influences behavior. but there it is.

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        7. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 4
          Replying to @danlistensto @MimeticValue and

          Taleb has a lot of great insights too but I think there's a trap there. He's got a great framework for coming up with risk management positions in high uncertainty environments. He's not an endless font of wisdom though. His paleo-conservatism gets in the way a lot.

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        8. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue May 4
          Replying to @danlistensto @Plinz and

          I don't see paleoconservativism in him. And I don't see what he's getting in the way of.

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        9. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 4
          Replying to @MimeticValue @Plinz and

          you don't? his constant obsession on ancient religion, "Mediterranean" identity, genealogy, traditionalism, and basing his ethics on a mixture of classical stoicism and "tough guy" macho bullshit?

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