@Meaningness is the only one I'm aware of who's actively trying to solve this issue.
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Replying to @MimeticValue @michaelgarfield and
No he doesn't. He jumped into the septic tank and then devoted his life's work to disinfecting as much as he can. But I don't see the point in jumping into the septic tank if you want to get clean, other than as a spectacle for others that want to study cleaning techniques.
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Replying to @Plinz @MimeticValue and
Septic tank maintenance, as you put it, and legitimate tantra that doesn't mind hanging out in the charnel grounds and embraces the fullness of human experience...how can you be sure you know the difference?
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Replying to @michaelgarfield @MimeticValue and
Very different levels. Do you play with your mind by using all available stimuli or do you submit to the injection of beliefs without possibility of evidential support?
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Replying to @Plinz @MimeticValue and
Sounds like you are using the terms religion and blind faith interchangeably, which does extraordinary violence to the accumulated wealth of wisdom and symbolically encoded insight stored in and transmitted by the world's traditions...
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Replying to @michaelgarfield @MimeticValue and
Yes, there are evil cults that plunge the other half of the world into centuries of darkness, and wise religions that enlighten my half of the world with centuries of insight. :)
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Replying to @Plinz @MimeticValue and
That sounds very black and white - and if I'm not mistaken, tolerance for ambiguity is a hallmark of Kegan's stage 4 and (even more so) stage 5...
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Replying to @michaelgarfield @MimeticValue and
Yes, you easily discover that there is not a single valid narrative but a map of possible truths. But the ambiguity does not extend to "perhaps we can go back to Newtonian physics" or "perhaps people talking to burning bushes have access to a deeper level of cosmic truth".
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Replying to @Plinz @michaelgarfield and
I don't think anyone was advocating talking to a burning bush - that's pretty clearly reductio ad absurdum. Just because a system has some obviously false elements doesn't mean that the entire system, or the people who use the system, have nothing else to offer.
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Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @Plinz and
You're also focusing an awful lot on claims about the the physical world. Gnostic systems tend to have laughably unscientific descriptions of cosmology. Yet they also have powerful practical insights. Anyway... I personally prefer smoking burning bushes to talking to them.
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first you smoke the bush, then you talk to God. what's the confusion?
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Replying to @danlistensto @Failed_Buddhist and
First you smoke the God, then you talk to the bush. What's the clarity?
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Replying to @MimeticValue @Failed_Buddhist and
aaaaaaand that's a wrappic.twitter.com/22jbPL1Lbp
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Replying to @danlistensto @MimeticValue and
I think we all need to smoke some bushes and get some sleep.
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