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    1. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue May 2
      Replying to @danlistensto @0knaomi @palecur

      Oh, we need to innovate for sure. My point is that existing systems my seem old to us as individuals, but they are actually new in terms of human history. Western civilization has been on a trajectory of atomization for 1000 years. All that is bound to collapse eventually.

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    2. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue May 2
      Replying to @MimeticValue @danlistensto and

      People tend to think that modern Western civilization is all that ever was, and rarely zoom out to see the grand cycles in history or imagine how someone 1000 years ago perceived reality. It's a Western cultural tendency to favor spatial empathy and devalue #TemporalEmpathy.

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    3. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue May 2
      Replying to @MimeticValue @danlistensto and

      Faustian civilization is fueled by a form of sky daddy worship that sublimated into a worship of reason, measurement, and progress, which emphasizes technology. Most civilizations throughout history didn't have this cosmology. All our thoughts are biased by this.

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    4. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur May 2
      Replying to @MimeticValue @danlistensto @0knaomi

      'biased towards shit that works' is a pretty acceptable bias, tbh

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    5. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue May 2
      Replying to @palecur @danlistensto @0knaomi

      Are you saying that all the past Great civilizations, Greeks, Egyptian, Hindu, Mayan, Chinese, etc didn't work? They had profoundly different worldviews and survived longer than the modern West.

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    6. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra May 2
      Replying to @MimeticValue @palecur @danlistensto

      They're mostly dead, tho.

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    7. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue May 2
      Replying to @0K_ultra @0knaomi and

      And you think we won't be? We are on a trajectory to burn out faster than any of them. So in doing what works, we should be learning from patterns in history, not intentionally throwing ourselves off the cliff because all the cool kids are doing it.

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    8. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue May 2
      Replying to @MimeticValue @0knaomi and

      This is pure epistemological arrogance. People in tech tend to believe that they can reach transcendance, while being painfully ignorant that they are just playing out mythological archetypes that manifested in different cultures throughout history.

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    9. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur May 2
      Replying to @MimeticValue @0knaomi @danlistensto

      It's not so much about transcendence as it is about utterly destroying those mythological archetypes, whether consciously (a better approach, but archetype manipulation is a nascent science still cloaked in mysticism, despite the best efforts of Chaos magicians) or accidentally.

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    10. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra May 3
      Replying to @palecur @MimeticValue @danlistensto

      for the record, I am not convinced archetypes exist as anything other than pattern-matching anomalies in human cognition, so destroying them might be akin to destroying the duck-hare illusion. Having said that I believe that to be a cool project and would like to subscribe.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 3
      Replying to @0K_ultra @0knaomi and

      your own sense of self is a pattern-matching anomaly in human cognition too though. manipulating cognition anomalies is a decent definition of mysticism imo. also a decent definition of cognitive transhumanism.

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        2. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra May 3
          Replying to @danlistensto @palecur @MimeticValue

          I think what self "is" is an open question (that ties into "what is it even for"), so it may or may not be an anomaly. I am somewhat partial to hypothesis that "self" is nature's weird lame way of implementing an inter-process bus of sorts, but it is way early for strong opinions

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        3. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur May 3
          Replying to @0K_ultra @0knaomi and

          JULIAN JAYNES

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        4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 3
          Replying to @palecur @0knaomi @MimeticValue

          Bicameralism is an especially good crackpot (I like the term, don't mean it derisively) theory. Probably not true but full of interesting nooks and crannies to provoke further thought.

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        5. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur May 3
          Replying to @danlistensto @0knaomi @MimeticValue

          yeah, same. "wrong in a way that has intriguing implications" is an interesting subgenre.

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        6. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 3
          Replying to @palecur @0knaomi @MimeticValue

          see also: the career of Terrence McKenna (though to be fair he was actually right about some important things)

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