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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur May 2
      Replying to @danlistensto @MimeticValue

      I reject 'caring for Our Own justifies not caring for The Other', because I reject the distinction between Our Own and The Other. If this is polarized and extreme, I own it, but it's not a rhetorical tool. It is my sincerely held position.

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    2. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur May 2
      Replying to @palecur @danlistensto @MimeticValue

      When I say atomization is an unqualified good, I mean in part because by abolishing the concept of Our Own we are also freed from The Other. That is immensely valuable.

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    3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 2
      Replying to @palecur @MimeticValue

      that's like enlightenment-tier ego death though. atomization isn't that. atomization is when EVERYONE is "other".

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    4. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra May 2
      Replying to @danlistensto @palecur @MimeticValue

      I dunno, it feels good. If I could order more from Amazon I would, but I can't

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra May 2
      Replying to @0K_ultra @danlistensto and

      (if "everyone is the other", then no one is)

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    6. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 2
      Replying to @0K_ultra @0knaomi and

      no. that's wrong. you don't get that unless you also dissolve your own ego/self. short of staring at a cave wall for 9 years I'm not seeing this as a workable policy. what really happens is only your own person is "us" and everyone else is "them" and you just hurt endlessly.

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    7. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra May 2
      Replying to @danlistensto @palecur @MimeticValue

      I'm not in any particular state of distress, adjusted for being in a dusty hellscape with suspect air and poisonous tap water. Sense of group belonging, at least "traditional"/"ethnoracial", is massively overrated.

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    8. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 2
      Replying to @0K_ultra @0knaomi and

      you do actually have an in-group. in your case (as in my case, though maybe to different degrees) it's not your ethno-racial compatriots. it's an international, inter-ethnic, internet connected in-group. if you didn't have that you'd feel the pain. total isolation is unbearable.

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    9. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra May 2
      Replying to @danlistensto @palecur @MimeticValue

      At that point in-group is sufficiently flexible that you'd need to expend considerable active effort not to have one.

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    10. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 2
      Replying to @0K_ultra @0knaomi and

      right. what happens instead is that really isolated and alienated people (e.g. incels) expend minimum effort and get an in-group that is really shitty and bad for them. they'll take a shitty, harmful in-group over no in-group because the pain of total isolation is that severe.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 2
      Replying to @danlistensto @0knaomi and

      and it's a horrible trap that leads to tragic outcomes and years of suffering for most of them.

      11:33 AM - 2 May 2018
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        2. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra May 2
          Replying to @danlistensto @palecur @MimeticValue

          Alternate hypothesis: they have idiosyncratic partner preferences (both sexual and otherwise) and exotic beliefs, so it's less "alienation" and more "active self-selection into a very wonky weird community", like a flagellant monk order

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        3. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra May 2
          Replying to @0K_ultra @danlistensto and

          and it could have been way way worse. It could have been a literal flagellant monk order. Or a literal death cult. Or a funny innovative combination of those.

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        4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 2
          Replying to @0K_ultra @0knaomi and

          interesting thoughts. granted it could be worse, but it's already bad, how do we make it better?

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        5. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra May 2
          Replying to @danlistensto @palecur @MimeticValue

          I am not sure it is possible to make it better. I mean, it's both "ethically dubious" and empirically hard to "fix" someone's sexual and interpersonal interactions preferences. By same token you could try to "fix" high-victimity people (very un-PC idea!) or "religious nuts"

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        6. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 2
          Replying to @0K_ultra @0knaomi and

          definitely agree with you on the pointlessness of individual radical interventions. "conversion therapy" of all varieties is gross. what I mean by fix is more like "how do we create the social environmental conditions that ameliorate this issue gracefully over time?"

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        7. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra May 2
          Replying to @danlistensto @palecur @MimeticValue

          I don't think "incels" are in their current shape a problem that needs active amelioration. They are mostly harmless. Maybe better mental healthcare availability could help some of those folks but I kinda doubt that.

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        8. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 2
          Replying to @0K_ultra @0knaomi and

          mostly harmless to broader society. profoundly harmful to themselves and their friends in that "community". compassion for those who suffer is my guiding principle here. I'm not content to see them suffer and just shrug and say "as long as they keep to themselves I don't care".

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        9. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 2
          Replying to @danlistensto @0knaomi and

          but I'm not in a position to do anything about it. I like to discuss it as a kind of simulation of how I might want to think and act about situations I can control. Compassionate analogies, in essence.

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