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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur May 2

      This, but absolutely unironically, since the ironic version is naked advocacy for an ethno-state.

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    2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 2
      Replying to @palecur @MimeticValue

      no, you're going to the most extreme polarized positions here over and over again. it's bad rhetorical strategy unless you just want a knife fight.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur May 2
      Replying to @danlistensto @MimeticValue

      I reject 'caring for Our Own justifies not caring for The Other', because I reject the distinction between Our Own and The Other. If this is polarized and extreme, I own it, but it's not a rhetorical tool. It is my sincerely held position.

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    4. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur May 2
      Replying to @palecur @danlistensto @MimeticValue

      When I say atomization is an unqualified good, I mean in part because by abolishing the concept of Our Own we are also freed from The Other. That is immensely valuable.

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    5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 2
      Replying to @palecur @MimeticValue

      that's like enlightenment-tier ego death though. atomization isn't that. atomization is when EVERYONE is "other".

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    6. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra May 2
      Replying to @danlistensto @palecur @MimeticValue

      I dunno, it feels good. If I could order more from Amazon I would, but I can't

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    7. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra May 2
      Replying to @0K_ultra @danlistensto and

      (if "everyone is the other", then no one is)

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    8. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 2
      Replying to @0K_ultra @0knaomi and

      no. that's wrong. you don't get that unless you also dissolve your own ego/self. short of staring at a cave wall for 9 years I'm not seeing this as a workable policy. what really happens is only your own person is "us" and everyone else is "them" and you just hurt endlessly.

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    9. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra May 2
      Replying to @danlistensto @palecur @MimeticValue

      I'm not in any particular state of distress, adjusted for being in a dusty hellscape with suspect air and poisonous tap water. Sense of group belonging, at least "traditional"/"ethnoracial", is massively overrated.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 2
      Replying to @0K_ultra @0knaomi and

      you do actually have an in-group. in your case (as in my case, though maybe to different degrees) it's not your ethno-racial compatriots. it's an international, inter-ethnic, internet connected in-group. if you didn't have that you'd feel the pain. total isolation is unbearable.

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        2. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra May 2
          Replying to @danlistensto @palecur @MimeticValue

          At that point in-group is sufficiently flexible that you'd need to expend considerable active effort not to have one.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 2
          Replying to @0K_ultra @0knaomi and

          right. what happens instead is that really isolated and alienated people (e.g. incels) expend minimum effort and get an in-group that is really shitty and bad for them. they'll take a shitty, harmful in-group over no in-group because the pain of total isolation is that severe.

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        4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 2
          Replying to @danlistensto @0knaomi and

          and it's a horrible trap that leads to tragic outcomes and years of suffering for most of them.

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        5. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra May 2
          Replying to @danlistensto @palecur @MimeticValue

          Alternate hypothesis: they have idiosyncratic partner preferences (both sexual and otherwise) and exotic beliefs, so it's less "alienation" and more "active self-selection into a very wonky weird community", like a flagellant monk order

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        6. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra May 2
          Replying to @0K_ultra @danlistensto and

          and it could have been way way worse. It could have been a literal flagellant monk order. Or a literal death cult. Or a funny innovative combination of those.

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        7. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 2
          Replying to @0K_ultra @0knaomi and

          interesting thoughts. granted it could be worse, but it's already bad, how do we make it better?

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        8. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra May 2
          Replying to @danlistensto @palecur @MimeticValue

          I am not sure it is possible to make it better. I mean, it's both "ethically dubious" and empirically hard to "fix" someone's sexual and interpersonal interactions preferences. By same token you could try to "fix" high-victimity people (very un-PC idea!) or "religious nuts"

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        9. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 2
          Replying to @0K_ultra @0knaomi and

          definitely agree with you on the pointlessness of individual radical interventions. "conversion therapy" of all varieties is gross. what I mean by fix is more like "how do we create the social environmental conditions that ameliorate this issue gracefully over time?"

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        2. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue May 2
          Replying to @danlistensto @0knaomi @palecur

          We don't know the long run consequences of this new way of structuring social networks. My bet is that it increases risk of large scale catastrophes. Deterritorialization drives both innovation and risk of ruin. You can't have one without the other. Need to balance.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 2
          Replying to @MimeticValue @0knaomi @palecur

          I think I'm more optimistic than you are on this point. So many of our existing systems are dysfunctional, corrupt, and sclerotic that my risk tolerance for the sake of innovation is pretty high right now.

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        4. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue May 2
          Replying to @danlistensto @0knaomi @palecur

          Oh, we need to innovate for sure. My point is that existing systems my seem old to us as individuals, but they are actually new in terms of human history. Western civilization has been on a trajectory of atomization for 1000 years. All that is bound to collapse eventually.

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        5. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue May 2
          Replying to @MimeticValue @danlistensto and

          People tend to think that modern Western civilization is all that ever was, and rarely zoom out to see the grand cycles in history or imagine how someone 1000 years ago perceived reality. It's a Western cultural tendency to favor spatial empathy and devalue #TemporalEmpathy.

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        6. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue May 2
          Replying to @MimeticValue @danlistensto and

          Faustian civilization is fueled by a form of sky daddy worship that sublimated into a worship of reason, measurement, and progress, which emphasizes technology. Most civilizations throughout history didn't have this cosmology. All our thoughts are biased by this.

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        7. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur May 2
          Replying to @MimeticValue @danlistensto @0knaomi

          'biased towards shit that works' is a pretty acceptable bias, tbh

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        8. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue May 2
          Replying to @palecur @danlistensto @0knaomi

          Are you saying that all the past Great civilizations, Greeks, Egyptian, Hindu, Mayan, Chinese, etc didn't work? They had profoundly different worldviews and survived longer than the modern West.

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        9. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra May 2
          Replying to @MimeticValue @palecur @danlistensto

          They're mostly dead, tho.

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