Yeah, In all of our "rituals" there is still no supernatural involved. I don't think it's an unclear distinction.
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Replying to @brewingsense @danlistensto
supernatural as divine ordinance vs supernatural as "things I don't actually believe are happening" ? "I believe in the system" "I believe in the rule of law" "I believe in markets" magic is just another system?
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Replying to @eigenrobot @danlistensto
Well, for starters we can put under the label of supernatural non-material (or material but nonexisting) agents. I just generally worry about equivocating too much when it comes to this sort of bird-eye view metaphors.
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For example - one can argue that "science is a social construct" and so is almost everything else. For specific defs of soc construct it's hard to disagree, but it's also hard to not want mention that science differs in important ways.
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the scientific method (what scientists practice) is a social system (not construct, system) but science has as its domain of inquiry the material world so scientific findings are about matter and we don't have this sort of confusion in that domain
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Replying to @danlistensto
I'm not sure that's entirely true We make predictions about social systems too And there's a lot of faith about the generalizability of our predictions
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Replying to @eigenrobot @danlistensto
Honestly, I just meant that when grouping things together, even if the grouping points to something interesting and important it can also blur another important distinction - and that's what I think happens when we call secular meaning-making frameworks religions.
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By the way, we could use a good term for meaning-making-framwork, that does not have negative connotations (like ideology) or supernatural-ritual connotations (like religion). I'm out of ideas though.
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Replying to @danlistensto @eigenrobot
That's not what I have in mind - metaphor is more like a meaning-making tool - you use one metaphor to get one meaning across. I mean something like an ideological background, a lens, a meaning making ecosystem.
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right, I see what you're getting at. what is the system that produces and distributes metaphors? I would use the word "culture", but that is probably too broad. The term might be too in-group or esoteric, but memetosphere has some appeal to me as an ecological model.
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