if you kick good out of the throne of your spirit,, another egregore appears to take his place choose your egregore wisely is what im saying none of us are free of divinities https://twitter.com/ARossP/status/989819610940747776 …
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Strong v weak atheism Positive belief in no god vs lack of belief Seems like most(?) atheists in former camp Actually I think I was going off on the general case of this yesterday hm
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lack of belief is just a non-committal position. it's either apathy or agnosticism (in the conventional, not original sense). we have so many cultural fences in our minds that most people get to the border and set up a tent city rather than venture out into the unknown.
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fuck I'm doing the Tamarian thing again. sorry, will try to be less inscrutable.
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traditional theisms don't hold up under the glare of modern science. it's too much bullshit to swallow without either reforming your theism into just poetry or leaving behind you forever and positively exclaiming "NO SUCH THING".
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but that's just the first step on what ought to be a lifelong journey. the atheism egregore is a parasite that feeds on the minds of those who take the 1st step. it holds them hostage there and prevents them from developing meaningful belief systems of their own.
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to use Meaningness' inflected language: its a stage 4.5 nihilism trap
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I think I know what you're getting at. Still I prefer terms like "ideology" to terms like "religion" or "theism" to describe the kind of political atheism that comes with a worldview ontology and morality. IMHO The distinction between supernatural and secular is worth preserving.
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Maybe disagreement over whether political is actually sacral to participants? Consider eg Roman entanglement of the two Consider our rituals (State of the Union, elections, Supreme Court priesthood, etc)
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Yeah, In all of our "rituals" there is still no supernatural involved. I don't think it's an unclear distinction.
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supernatural as divine ordinance vs supernatural as "things I don't actually believe are happening" ? "I believe in the system" "I believe in the rule of law" "I believe in markets" magic is just another system?
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Well, for starters we can put under the label of supernatural non-material (or material but nonexisting) agents. I just generally worry about equivocating too much when it comes to this sort of bird-eye view metaphors.
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For example - one can argue that "science is a social construct" and so is almost everything else. For specific defs of soc construct it's hard to disagree, but it's also hard to not want mention that science differs in important ways.
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the scientific method (what scientists practice) is a social system (not construct, system) but science has as its domain of inquiry the material world so scientific findings are about matter and we don't have this sort of confusion in that domain
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I'm not sure that's entirely true We make predictions about social systems too And there's a lot of faith about the generalizability of our predictions

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