I've actually found this to be true. It tends to confuse them for some reason. Although I've definitely met a few ACT and MBCT folks who have at least some useful traditional understanding, albeit not at an ideal level.
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alright, been biting my tongue but it seems appropriate at this point. this is controversial but fine, whatever. these blindspots would not be so common if more teachers (and more therapists) had a serious background in psychedelics and psychedelic integration.
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Replying to @danlistensto @Failed_Buddhist and
I agree that teachers & clinicians should be versed in psychedelics - fine. But even if we chuck psychedelics out the window, we still have the same proplem w/r/t meditation alone. Am I missing a logical step/connection here?
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maybe? I'll connect the dots more explicitly if it helps. a strong psychedelic experience is almost identical to the experience in mindfulness meditation of realizing the interiority of your awareness. the observer observing the mind, not the external world.
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this is the inflection point that initiates the long post-awakening period of realigning the mind and experience of reality that many struggle with. "the dark side of awakening" and "dark night of the soul" are analogous (or maybe identical) with psychedelic integration.
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This is part of the language that i find problematic: dark side of awakening. What is this about? Meditating, psychedelics may lead to a deeper understanding of oneself where subconscious energies are made conscious. But this is not awakening, merely self-reflection.
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not my terminology, has become commonly used in some of the discourse on the topic. do you find the language problematic because of its negative emotional valence or because you find it unclear or obfuscating in some way?
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I explained that the problem is these "dark" experiences are not "awakening". They are just experiences.
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in the literature these labels are applied to experiences that come after an awakening experience. you're right that they aren't awakening. they're after-effects that are experienced consistently by many meditators.
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Perhaps these meditators weren't actually awake. Perhaps these experiences are merely evidence of a mind fraught with delusion. Who amongst us can honestly tell?
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I don't view awake as a binary state. It's not a light switch. It's a path. Awakening events (plural) are sign posts on the path.
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Or could they be signs of diving deeper into delusion? How can one tell the difference?
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