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    1. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Apr 13
      Replying to @fuzzylogic8250 @anyane

      Props to your teacher. I'm not very familiar with Tibetan lineages, but I can tell you from my own experience, and from countless reports of others, that many Western teachers don't talk about it. Meditation is generally marketed as a stress-reduction or relaxation technique.

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    2. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Apr 13
      Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @fuzzylogic8250 @anyane

      I encourage you to look into the work of Willoughby Britton. She's reported on many people who have attended Western retreat centers and suffered adverse psychological reactions, and the teachers had no clue how to handle it.

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    3. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Apr 13
      Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @fuzzylogic8250 @anyane

      I think meditation teachers should have access to clinical psychology resources in the event that something goes wrong, and psychologists should be better trained to understand the kinds of experiences that may arise in contemplative practices.

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    4. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Apr 13
      Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @fuzzylogic8250 @anyane

      Even the "mindfulness therapy" psychologists don't really have much of a clue, IME.

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    5. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ Apr 13
      Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @fuzzylogic8250 @anyane

      They probably have less of a clue, unfortunately.

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    6. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Apr 13
      Replying to @misen__ @fuzzylogic8250 @anyane

      I've actually found this to be true. It tends to confuse them for some reason. Although I've definitely met a few ACT and MBCT folks who have at least some useful traditional understanding, albeit not at an ideal level.

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    7. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Apr 13
      Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @fuzzylogic8250 @anyane

      alright, been biting my tongue but it seems appropriate at this point. this is controversial but fine, whatever. these blindspots would not be so common if more teachers (and more therapists) had a serious background in psychedelics and psychedelic integration.

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    8. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Apr 13
      Replying to @danlistensto @fuzzylogic8250 @anyane

      Psychedelics definitely create similar concerns. This raises the general problem around the Western psychological models and understanding of psychosis. I have some draft essays on this that I never got around to finishing. Maybe that's content for a future tweetstorm.

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    9. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Apr 13
      Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @fuzzylogic8250 @anyane

      a short-lived name for those substances (before Humphry Osmond coined "psychedelic") was psychotomimetic drugs. That's not quite right but it's understandable why a naive interpretation would lead there. psychedelic means "mind manifesting" and that's a bit more accurate.

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    10. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Apr 13
      Replying to @danlistensto @Failed_Buddhist and

      other labels that have been proposed: phanerothyme (means "spiritedness") which Lisa Bieberman wrote about helpfully here http://www.csp.org/practices/entheogens/docs/bieberman-phanerothyme.html … entheogen (means "giving rise to the divine within") which is reasonable for the mushroom and ayahuasca shamanic traditions.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Apr 13
      Replying to @danlistensto @Failed_Buddhist and

      I would suggest this class of drugs might be usefully regarded as "path of perturbation" aids. where sitting meditation shows you your mind by making it still, the drugs show it to you by making it vibrate with enough amplitude to drown out the normal background noise.

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        2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Apr 13
          Replying to @danlistensto @Failed_Buddhist and

          we need not understand psychosis or clinical treatment of it. that's not what the psychedelic experience is, really. it's an awakening. it ought to be treated just the same as awakening from meditation.

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        3. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Apr 13
          Replying to @danlistensto @fuzzylogic8250 @anyane

          All good points. I was actually trying to say that the current psychological understanding of psychosis is flawed, and this leads to viewing psychedelic and contemplative effects as psychosis, as many of the descriptive components can sound a lot like psychotic symptoms.

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