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    1. simpolism‏ @simpolism Apr 12

      A lot of ethics-in-technology criticism is about the disconnect between these embedded assumptions about Goodness and whatever the critic believes is Actually Good. But arguments are rarely made in these explicit terms. Critics attack specific policies, not mission statements.

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    2. simpolism‏ @simpolism Apr 12

      I want to see more criticism that sees "Facebook’s mission is to give people the power to build community and bring the world closer together." and asks "what if bringing the world closer together is bad?" and less of "when is Facebook going to ban the bad people?"

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    3. simpolism‏ @simpolism Apr 12

      But the deep ethical questions aren't asked of tech, because the frameworks either don't exist or aren't taught. I'm no expert, but fields like Critical Theory may have thrown out the baby with the bathwater. We no longer have clear modes of critique beyond "is this Xist?"

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    4. simpolism‏ @simpolism Apr 12

      To those outside of the Critical Theory thoughtsphere, the lack of solid ethical frameworks is risky. A scary outcome is subsuming ethics to capital and state: rather than asking "is this Good?" one instead asks "is this legal?" and "will this make us money?"

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    5. simpolism‏ @simpolism Apr 12

      This is why mission statements are interesting: they provide insight into how the corporate insiders are thinking about ethics. And usually, they're vague enough to be subsumed by capital concerns. To Google, I wonder if "useful" means "whatever makes us the most money." Oops.

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    6. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Apr 12
      Replying to @simpolism

      corporations are/were the original utility monsters

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    7. simpolism‏ @simpolism Apr 12
      Replying to @danlistensto

      I'd modify that to "public corporations" but yes, absolutely.

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    8. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Apr 12
      Replying to @simpolism

      you're juxtaposing that with the original limited charter corporation, right? I would agree with that but would also note that that type of organization is basically extinct in 2018

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    9. simpolism‏ @simpolism Apr 12
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      That's fair. I'm thinking of the legal entity of a "corporation" which makes sense for e.g. contractors to form for tax and liability purposes. Not all corporations have a duty to maximize shareholder value, but all public ones probably do.

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    10. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Apr 12
      Replying to @simpolism

      afaik yes, that is established legal precedent with C Corps (but IANAL). even if "maximize sharedholder value" isn't explicitly written into the corporate mission statement it is implicit and has been withheld in many shareholder lawsuits.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Apr 12
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      *upheld not withheld

      7:36 AM - 12 Apr 2018
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