Part of this has to do with the miserable failure of the Iraq War and the way that it motivates leftists to try and downplay threats that could legitimate a war. If ISIS is really, truly evil, shouldn’t we bomb the shit out of them?
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Replying to @NatrlContrarian
that's the right wing hawk position (bombing) but I don't think it follows the best response to an evil terrorist organization is airstrikes. seems counterproductive, on examination of the historical record. ignoring is counterproductive too though.
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Replying to @danlistensto @NatrlContrarian
literally nobody knows what an actually effective response is. failure to acknowledge this is the cause of enormous political problems. humility is supposed to be a "conservative" virtue but is completely absent from the "conservative" (hawk) foreign policy establishment.
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Replying to @danlistensto @NatrlContrarian
I just can't get over the absurdity of the left hand-in-sanding it about actual ISIS style terrorists shooting up nightclubs in America though. they don't have a solution either but their response is like straight-jacket worthy.
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Replying to @danlistensto
But what do they have to gain from accepting it? Right wingers will use it as a cudgel against them and things just get potentially nastier for their Muslim friends.
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Replying to @NatrlContrarian
ok, so that's the pure factionalism case. if that's what it is, then that's what it is, but that's definitely a form of dysfunctional psychosis.
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Replying to @danlistensto @NatrlContrarian
the productive position, which I've seen from like exactly 1 person in the entire world (Maajid Nawaz) is to encourage positive outcomes for marginalized people at risk of radicalization by focusing on community support and social integration with broader society.
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Replying to @danlistensto @NatrlContrarian
and that path is mysteriously not promoted by anyone basically. de-marginalization (aka assimilation) is at odds with intersectionality so the left doesn't want it. the right has bigotry problems and prefer to marginalize.
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Replying to @danlistensto
I know little about Nawaz other than his association with Harris and how he was smeared by the SPLC. His views strike me as a little too conciliatory to the right and a little naïve about how likely liberalizing a religion will work, but he seems well-intentioned.
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Replying to @NatrlContrarian @danlistensto
I agree about that outlook on the left and right though. It’s just unfortunate that there isn’t the political will for something better right now.
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very unfortunate indeed. politics has always been shitty but at the moment it's just a freak show.
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