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    1. Natural Contrarian‏ @NatrlContrarian Apr 5
      Replying to @NatrlContrarian @danlistensto

      Also, a lot of the left in the West has a pretension to multiculturalism that is undermined by acknowledgement that in some places people believe really shitty things. So they have to downplay these differences or else come across as too imperialist.

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    2. Natural Contrarian‏ @NatrlContrarian Apr 5
      Replying to @NatrlContrarian @danlistensto

      You also see this come out when, for example, a communist party supports ISIS against American imperialism or people start downplaying the violence of the Syrian state because it looks bad when the far left doesn’t immediately make the U.S. the big bad in some situation.

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    3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Apr 5
      Replying to @NatrlContrarian

      but this is what I don't understand. you're saying its just pure factionalism then? "I support the enemy of my enemy" is really driving all this shit? Like, they seriously think that ISIS is acceptable because Republicans dislike ISIS?

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    4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Apr 5
      Replying to @danlistensto @NatrlContrarian

      The "fetishization of the marginalized" thing seems non-explanatory also. Islamic extremism is incredibly damaging to those same marginalized muslim communities in western countries. Do they think they're helping those communities out by being blind to the serious problems?

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    5. Natural Contrarian‏ @NatrlContrarian Apr 5
      Replying to @danlistensto

      I think that the counterculture of the 60s made a great deal of the importance of an outside to modern culture. The status quo was bad and the best way to destroy it was to unite those who were marginalized by it.

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    6. Natural Contrarian‏ @NatrlContrarian Apr 5
      Replying to @NatrlContrarian @danlistensto

      So the marginal and transgressive were vaporized as being key to the overturning of the system. I think this played a role in how identity politics became the big thing on the left (that and the fact that it isn’t actually radical). Difference became a good in itself.

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    7. Natural Contrarian‏ @NatrlContrarian Apr 5
      Replying to @NatrlContrarian @danlistensto

      Here we can see a parallel in how the third worldists view capitalism as only being conquerable by a non-capitalist outside to the capitalist system. Hence Foucault’s early support for Khomeini’s “revolution” and the support we still see for Iran from some.

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    8. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Apr 5
      Replying to @NatrlContrarian

      I always thought post-revolution Iran was very "second world". adjacent to soviet periphery, buying weapons from Russia, far more industrialized than the true third world and never colonized (not explicitly anyway).

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    9. Natural Contrarian‏ @NatrlContrarian Apr 5
      Replying to @danlistensto

      In the original conception I think first world was the western sphere, second the Soviets’, and third everyone else. For Foucault I just wanted to draw attention to the way he saw it originally as progressive in an anti-liberal and anti-capitalist way.

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    10. Natural Contrarian‏ @NatrlContrarian Apr 5
      Replying to @NatrlContrarian @danlistensto

      His support suggested a longing for something novel without a great deal of concern for how it could be oppressive. The third worldism is a different tendency, but something that shares similarities to this view in its desire for the Other.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Apr 5
      Replying to @NatrlContrarian

      fetishization is the right word. maybe should use a stronger term: xenophilia

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