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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Apr 1
      Replying to @sonyaellenmann

      I had almost the opposite reaction. Felt like after the very reasonable declaration of liberal values, most of the gender discussion there was boring or off topic. Felt like the characterization of corporate culture was spot on. Can you say more about your reaction though?

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    2.  🤖 Sonya Mann  🎀‏Verified account @sonyaellenmann Apr 1
      Replying to @danlistensto

      The characterization of corporate culture was pretty accurate, I think, but I super disagree with policy ideas like thispic.twitter.com/4GBsXS1Zix

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    3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Apr 1
      Replying to @sonyaellenmann

      ok, that clarifies things. a lot of the policies there were unrealistic/unenforceable as written. could have serious detrimental effects on hiring leading to increased unemployment since hiring (and presumably also firing) would be so regulated that companies would do less of it.

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    4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Apr 1
      Replying to @danlistensto @sonyaellenmann

      I am very sympathetic, however, for laws enforcing "right to be forgotten" (delete old posts, etc.) and "right to privacy" (make stuff like twitter locked mode legal obligations). the history of regulations like this is poor though. CAN-SPAM comes to mind as well-intentioned fail

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    5.  🤖 Sonya Mann  🎀‏Verified account @sonyaellenmann Apr 1
      Replying to @danlistensto

      Hmmmm interesting. I'm not sure

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Apr 1
      Replying to @sonyaellenmann

      as a practical matter there's no law in the world that could even in principle work. whisper networks and back-channels are a thing and you can't legislate them out of existence.

      7:17 AM - 1 Apr 2018
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        2. Michael O. Church‏ @MichaelOChurch Apr 1
          Replying to @danlistensto @sonyaellenmann

          You can't legislate them out of existence. You legislate to define a high ground. You define a behavior as bad and drive it underground, though you can't 100% kill it. This isn't a war of absolutes and five-mile charges. It's a war of inch-by-inch.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Apr 1
          Replying to @MichaelOChurch @sonyaellenmann

          agreed. I guess I'm just more pessimistic on the ability of legislation to provoke social change. I find that it usually lags behind social change and gets updated only to reflect developments that have already occurred.

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        4. Michael O. Church‏ @MichaelOChurch Apr 1
          Replying to @danlistensto @sonyaellenmann

          Probably true. And the wish list of laws I posted is a pipe dream in today's political environment. It's more "where we should think about going" than anything else. It's fun to tear down– the left and right enjoy it– but you inspire the next generation with what could be.

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        5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Apr 1
          Replying to @MichaelOChurch @sonyaellenmann

          the stuff that inspires me is the whole cluster of technologies and social patterns that helps break the grip of mega-corps on public life. disintermediation and decentralization are the changes we need.

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        6. Michael O. Church‏ @MichaelOChurch Apr 1
          Replying to @danlistensto @sonyaellenmann

          I would like to see more of this, but my feeling is that it's going the other way. We're worse off now than 20 years ago. I've had more jobs helping the bad guys than good, because the bad guys have the money.

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        7. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Apr 1
          Replying to @MichaelOChurch @sonyaellenmann

          that's not likely to change. the group of people that are infected with the "horde money" virus are carrying out their program effectively. money is more valuable in motion than at rest though. a vibrant decentralized economy can produce enormous value even without cash stacks.

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        2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Apr 1
          Replying to @danlistensto @sonyaellenmann

          the real solution is more small businesses. Michael discusses that a little actually, but in an idealized nostalgia rather than as a policy discussion. concentration of corporate power makes the situation worse. smaller companies don't suffer from psychopathic people as much.

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        3. Michael O. Church‏ @MichaelOChurch Apr 1
          Replying to @danlistensto @sonyaellenmann

          Right. Reputation worked pretty well as a human immune system in small communities. In big societies, it tends to reflect power structures– which quickly become parasitic– rather than truth. And though reputation works against M-type psychopaths, the F-type are adept with it.

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