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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Mar 28
      Replying to @eigenrobot @danlistensto

      Or, possibly part of a larger postwar consensus taboo against things like "race science" and eugenics policy. "Discussion" may be less a matter of waiting for a panic to die and more waiting for a generation with a particular set of memories and experiences to pass, siecle-style

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    2. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Mar 28
      Replying to @eigenrobot @danlistensto

      And I'm not honestly sure that discussion would make people better off net. Devil's advocate: intellectually dishonest diversity efforts might be some kind second- or third-best outcome, some kind of Cowen-esque creative ambiguity that lets us keep civil conflict at bay . . .

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    3. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Mar 28
      Replying to @eigenrobot @danlistensto

      . . . until a better solution presents itself. I don't believe any of this strongly but my gut at least is that there are lots of tacit compromises at work, and we'll never know quite what they are because part of the truce is that you don't talk openly about the truce.

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    4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 28
      Replying to @eigenrobot

      so in other words you have to be actually John McWhorter to even discuss it, and even then it's tricky

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    5. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Mar 28
      Replying to @danlistensto

      I think that's true. Another possibility/angle/something: there's lots of hostility about this because any attempt at discussion is seen (correctly?) as an attempt to renegotiate the terms of the truce.

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    6. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 28
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      the truce is already broken though. we have an explicit racist in the white house and a moral panic where blues reflexively call their opponents bigots/racists on a hair trigger.

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    7. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Mar 28
      Replying to @danlistensto

      it's fraying for sure, possibly not broken? I'm not sure what broken would look like I guess possibly Trump-as-explicit racist is overblown (?), I would guess as a matter of pushing policy he's not so bad compared to most Presidents. maybe Bush II was a lot better actually(!)

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    8. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 28
      Replying to @eigenrobot

      as a matter of pushing policy he's trying to build a border wall and expel brown people with ambiguous immigration status. I'll grant you that he has merely consented to Red congress expected defunding of social welfare programs, and has not pushed that especially aggressively.

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    9. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 28
      Replying to @danlistensto @eigenrobot

      W. I think was much more personally sensitive to issues of race but his partisanship and congress prevented him from doing anything good about. Can't let Katrina/New Orleans get a pass. Accidentally racist policy is still racist.

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    10. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 28
      Replying to @danlistensto @eigenrobot

      Obama administration deeply flawed in a ton of ways INCLUDING Obama's unwillingness to push on race issues (understandable, but still a mistake) in ways that would have been uniquely available to that particular man.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 28
      Replying to @danlistensto @eigenrobot

      I think the truce is broken. The discourse is now strictly taken over by extremists. Even attempting to be "reasonable" while talking about controversial things results in being publicly executed (discursively, not yet bodily).

      9:10 AM - 28 Mar 2018
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        1. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 28
          Replying to @danlistensto @eigenrobot

          polarization into identity politics factions (white nationalists on the fascist right, white-hating minority factions on the intersectional left) and enforced silence in the center. broken truce.

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