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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies Mar 20
      Replying to @danlistensto @delysis

      Even then, without a strong immune system you're toast.

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    2. Delysis‏ @delysis Mar 20
      Replying to @everytstudies @danlistensto

      In this model, is the cholera the ideologies themselves? Or is it the distorted perceptions / bad takes on reality that propagate because of the ideologies? I think the latter is a better fit. To synthesize this with the VM analogy, bad memes due to ideologies are like malware.

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    3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 20
      Replying to @delysis @everytstudies

      yes, I'm modeling ideology as a virulent pathogen transmitted in social commons.

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    4. Delysis‏ @delysis Mar 20
      Replying to @danlistensto @everytstudies

      One that controls your brain, like toxoplasmosis. The thing I don’t love about this analogy is it leaves out the utility of infection. The “predatory meme” model fits that aspect, though: predators are instrumental when domesticated.

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    5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 20
      Replying to @delysis @everytstudies

      right, multiple metaphors here each doing some work of its own. the nice thing about abstractions is you can mix and match elements.

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    6. Delysis‏ @delysis Mar 20
      Replying to @danlistensto @everytstudies

      Which is meta-fitting, since the gist of S5 is being able to use systems of thought wherever they’re useful and ignore them the rest of the time.

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    7. Delysis‏ @delysis Mar 20
      Replying to @delysis @danlistensto @everytstudies

      Though when ranking fit, John’s “ideology-as-OS, S5 cognition as hypervisor” tops my list. Sometimes, a particular OS is needed to accomplish a role, especially in the context of a network of computers running that OS. E.g. I need access to Windows and Linux for work.

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    8. Delysis‏ @delysis Mar 20
      Replying to @delysis @danlistensto @everytstudies

      Similarly, I need to be able to step into Christianity when talking to my parents, Intersectional Feminism and Libertarianism around town, and material monism at the hacker space if I’m going to be coherent or persuasive. I need them all to function in a pluralistic society.

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    9. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 20
      Replying to @delysis @everytstudies

      ok this tweet makes your idea a lot more clear to me. we may have a terminology mismatch. what I think you're describing are "stances", which I might call "dramatis personae" in memespace. masks that you wear and remove as needed. ideology is a mask sutured to your face.

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    10. Delysis‏ @delysis Mar 20
      Replying to @danlistensto @everytstudies

      Agree on terminology mismatch. The reason I think my Christian persona is still an ideology when I wear it earnestly (as opposed to sneeringly, which I also do sometimes) is that it still functions the same as when it was “sewn to my face” as a boy, despite strong disbelief.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 20
      Replying to @delysis @everytstudies

      that's a really interesting thing to say. if you don't mind my asking, do you wear it earnestly in the sense of being able to talk to Christians in their own language, or in the sense of (temporarily) being an earnest Christian?

      2:13 PM - 20 Mar 2018
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        2. Delysis‏ @delysis Mar 20
          Replying to @danlistensto @everytstudies

          I find there are levels, and the deeper you go, the larger the risks and rewards. Adopting the language of the listener is just good communications practice, but it comes with the risk of picking up bad definitions, being perceived as patronizing...and I’m sure there are others.

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        3. Delysis‏ @delysis Mar 20
          Replying to @delysis @danlistensto @everytstudies

          To illustrate one risk: when I use evangelical theology to argue politics with my parents, who know me to be a persuasive troll, they are right to be wary or even angry: it’s unkind if the subtext is “I keep your brain inside my brain just for kicks,” it’s condescending.

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        4. Delysis‏ @delysis Mar 20
          Replying to @delysis @danlistensto @everytstudies

          In other cases it can be fine. In some, maybe most of those cases, the person you’re talking to probably assumes I agree with them, and some subset of those will be very offended if they learn you were just meeting them in their meme-space.

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        5. Delysis‏ @delysis Mar 20
          Replying to @delysis @danlistensto @everytstudies

          To illustrate that risk: It never occurred to one of my closest friends of many years that perhaps I wasn’t a communist, until one day I mentioned that I appreciate apsects of the free market, like being able to start a business without approval of a party official.

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        6. Delysis‏ @delysis Mar 20
          Replying to @delysis @danlistensto @everytstudies

          The conversation that followed, in which I pointed out that the market economy had actually done quite a bit for disadvantaged people relative because of productivity increases and competition, she got very frustrated, screamed for me to leave, and ~never spoke to me again.

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        7. Delysis‏ @delysis Mar 20
          Replying to @delysis @danlistensto @everytstudies

          I’ve also gone deeper, wearing Christianity earnestly, which I’ve found to be strangely useful. I grew up believing that Christian practices were contingent on belief. When I grew out of my faith, it didn’t occur to me that the practices might still work without it.

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        8. Delysis‏ @delysis Mar 20
          Replying to @delysis @danlistensto @everytstudies

          At first, anyway. Then, 8-10 years later, I found myself trying to help a Christian I met in a coffee shop with writers block. I thought, based on what he’d said about his faith and his problem, that prayerful meditation before he tryed to start typing was likely to be helpful.

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        9. Delysis‏ @delysis Mar 20
          Replying to @delysis @danlistensto @everytstudies

          He might have bought it had I not let him know that my faith was past tense, but I did, and it fucked up my otherwise compassionate intervention. Then I said “fuck it,” leapt in, (silently) prayed for wisdom, borrowed his Bible, and got the words and passage I needed immediately

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