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    1. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Mar 19

      Failed Buddhist Retweeted Jody ⚡️

      And @BuddhistGeeks. That was a tad harsh, though. There have certainly been some "real" meditation teachers on batgap (some of whom also appeared on DU), and while I don't listen to batgap now, it did introduce me to some genuine teachers I might otherwise not have heard of.https://twitter.com/Kalieezchild/status/975571978764541953 …

      Failed Buddhist added,

      Jody ⚡️ @Kalieezchild
      If you are a schlock meditation teacher, you aim to be on @batgap. If you are a real meditation teacher, the goal is @DeconstructingU
      2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    2. Jody ⚡️‏ @Kalieezchild Mar 19
      Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @BuddhistGeeks

      I’ve found the curation at @batgap to be atrocious. They got a few right, but many more—especially @BentinhoMassaro—have been disasters.

      1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
    3. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Mar 19
      Replying to @Kalieezchild @BuddhistGeeks and

      Wow, I was not aware he was on there. That's a straight up cult leader. The episode appears to have been taken down, and the batgap website has a page stating that some interviews have been removed because someone pointed out that they were platforming some crazies.

      1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
    4. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Mar 19
      Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @Kalieezchild and

      It goes on about how they are not in a position to "endorse" any guests and encourage people to "discriminate carefully". What a load of horseshit.

      1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
    5. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Mar 19
      Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @Kalieezchild and

      As a general rule, if you host a "spiritual" podcast and don't take careful steps to only promote genuine and qualified meditation teachers, you're not just spreading the dharma - you're also destroying it from the inside.

      1 reply 2 retweets 6 likes
    6. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Mar 19
      Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @Kalieezchild and

      How many spiritually naive people have stumbled across the podcast, looking for reliable and safe information about a practice that can dramatically transform the way their mind works, and how they perceive the world?

      1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
    7. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Mar 19
      Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @Kalieezchild and

      These are a lot of the people that are likely to join a cult, or engage in harmful practices without proper guidance, or get seriously abused. Not everyone with a spiritual bent has the skepticism and critical thinking skills required to navigate the marketplace.

      1 reply 3 retweets 7 likes
    8. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Mar 19
      Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @Kalieezchild and

      To promote someone who claims to be able to hand out enlightenment if you become enslaved to his crazy new religion (one that somehow perfectly encapsulates the worst aspects of both eastern and western religions) is not just irresponsible but actively dangerous. What's going on?

      7 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
    9. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 20
      Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @Kalieezchild and

      It’s also the case that teachers change. 10 years ago Bentinho seemed a relatively harmless neo-advaita teacher. His cultishness has escalated over the years. This isn’t a defense of Batgap it’s just a fact that people change and we have to evaluate things with time awareness.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 20
      Replying to @VincentHorn @Failed_Buddhist and

      there are really common recurring "red flags" though, aren't there? A pattern that I've noticed is that the more aggressively someone pushes an "I was a special child"/"I had a spiritual awakening at 14 years old" story the more likely they are to be a cult leader.

      11:24 AM - 20 Mar 2018
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        2. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 20
          Replying to @danlistensto @Failed_Buddhist and

          Not sure. I hear that all the time. My first breakthrough was at 13 and I know several friends who had similar experiences, including my 1st teacher, Dan Ingram. That just seems like a normal time to get interested in deeper questions for many folks.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 20
          Replying to @VincentHorn @Failed_Buddhist and

          In a sense I can say mine was too, except the proximate result was about 12 years of hard atheism. It's not the presence of a spiritual event that's the red flag, it's the emphasizing of it as a sign of specialness.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 20
          Replying to @danlistensto @Failed_Buddhist and

          Gotcha, makes sense. I think you’re right. Sorry for jumping the gun on your post before fully groking your point.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        5. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Mar 20
          Replying to @VincentHorn @danlistensto and

          I'm glad you said what you did. It's very easy to slip into extremes, even when our intentions are moderate and well-meaning. Balance through open conversation is the only corrective mechanism for that.

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        1. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 20
          Replying to @danlistensto @Failed_Buddhist and

          Ok, the pushing the specialness part is a red flag though. There’s nothing special about having an awakening in early teens. That really is fairly common. Making a story of specialness or agressively pushing that is suspect, because then it’s mostly about getting ego needs met.

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        1. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 20
          Replying to @danlistensto @Failed_Buddhist and

          There probably are signs though. Not sure that’s a good example.

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        1. Jody ⚡️‏ @Kalieezchild Mar 20
          Replying to @danlistensto @VincentHorn and

          Ah yes, the retroactive hagiography gambit. Every “divine” guru was born to it and enlightened out of the womb or as a very young child.

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