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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies Mar 20

      I'm getting the feeling I need to read Jordan Peterson just to find out what all the commotion is about.

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    2. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies Mar 20

      I mean the guy's suddenly everywhere and seems difficult to get a read on.

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    3. Delysis‏ @delysis Mar 20
      Replying to @everytstudies

      I was cringing my way to the same conclusion...until I heard the Sam Harris interview. Highly recommended. He insists that “Darwinian truth” (adaptive == true) >> empirical truth, because empiricism —> nihilism. i.e. he got stuck at 4.5 and retreated.

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    4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 20
      Replying to @delysis @everytstudies

      the Sam Harris interview is not a good example of the man's work. it was mostly an example of poor communication where the two of them couldn't decide what they wanted to really talk about so argued stupidly for an hour.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 20
      Replying to @danlistensto @delysis @everytstudies

      I disagree with you that Peterson has retreated back to stage 4 though. I think Harris is stuck there and that's one of the reasons Peterson had trouble talking to him about "truth". Sam's stage 4 strict rationalist empiricism vs. Peterson's stage 5 contextual symbolic truth.

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        2. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies Mar 20
          Replying to @danlistensto @delysis

          That makes sense, in that throwing stage 5 type thought into public discourse ought to lead to chaos and a whole lot of rorsaching.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 20
          Replying to @everytstudies @delysis

          yeah, it's hard to communicate even to receptive audiences let alone trying to do it in public with detractors interjecting

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        2. Delysis‏ @delysis Mar 20
          Replying to @danlistensto @everytstudies

          Agree that Harris is stuck at four, but I don’t see how JB can be at five while insisting on the premise that there has to be an ultimate system of thought framing all others. I fear I need to listen to that horribly awkward exchange again to pull the exact quote.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 20
          Replying to @delysis @everytstudies

          Peterson has strong aesthetic preferences for Christian symbology. He uses the semiotics of his native culture to express himself. His ideas could translate to other symbol systems too though. His idea of an "ultimate" system is more like a meta-system.

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        4. Delysis‏ @delysis Mar 20
          Replying to @danlistensto @everytstudies

          Yeah, I like Jung, and have no aesthetic objections to the symbology, or even his “Darwinian” conception of truth. I do strongly object to his repeated insistence that there has to be one (meta-)system containing all others. Strange loops are real and relevant to epistemology!

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        1. Binh Ho‏ @bho82 Mar 21
          Replying to @danlistensto @delysis @everytstudies

          I find JP insightful and made coherent a lot of my own views. Not a fan of the interp of stories. Seems arbitrary. Maybe it doesn't matter if it works but can be abused to justify just about any pov. He tends to dwell hard into this but I like the evo/culture fitness talks better

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