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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 10
      Replying to @VincentHorn @danlistensto and

      Here’s the problem: if no one can tell each other something more true then they can tell themselves (I.e. there’s no authority) then no one will call out bullshit if/when they see it. THIS IS ONE OF THE GREATEST GIFTS WE CAN GIVE EACH OTHER!!!!

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    2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 10
      Replying to @VincentHorn @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

      yes, of course, but there is an enormous and impactful difference between being persuasive and using power to enforce conformity of thought. Argument from authority is one of the worst fallacious positions but it's the default for most religious communities.

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    3. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 10
      Replying to @danlistensto @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

      Yes, so for those of us who have clearly left that behind (or say that we have!) why are we still so focused in the rearview mirror? What lies beyond this differentiation of power? Integration, I think. Better ways of working with power than self-contradictory rejection.pic.twitter.com/KsA9cKuHTR

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    4. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 10
      Replying to @VincentHorn @danlistensto and

      It’s a massive exercise of power to say that I’m the locust of power and that others aren’t.

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    5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 10
      Replying to @VincentHorn @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

      I view you as a peer, but one with more experience in things than I have in areas that I am interested in learning about. I think that is the relationship you have with most of your peers here. Certainly anyone that goes on retreat with you, to some degree. Is that power?

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    6. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 10
      Replying to @danlistensto @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

      That said, when I start hearing deep wisdom from someone, that opens me up, I let go of control and go with what realities is teaching through us (that's my practice anyway). And then when I sense things are going off the rails I intervene. I absolutely exercise authority.

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    7. Shaunyata‏ @shaunbartone Mar 10
      Replying to @VincentHorn @danlistensto @OortCloudAtlas

      This proves my prior point, Vincent, that many Buddhists are what I call ‘soft authoritarians.’

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    8. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 10
      Replying to @shaunbartone @danlistensto @OortCloudAtlas

      Well, it beats the shit out of being a soft anarchist, in my experience. I ran that experiment in a spiritual community (the Buddhist Geeks Community) and it failed / wasn't for me. That said, learning never ends.

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    9. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 10
      Replying to @VincentHorn @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

      this arguing from polarized positions is a mistake. what is the teaching anyway? I feel alright calling my politics "soft-anarchism" but not my spirituality. It's meaningless to classify it on that rubric at all.

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    10. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 10
      Replying to @danlistensto @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

      Who says it's a mistake? Are you really asking me to accept your perspective on polarization and "the teaching" as the basis from which to determine how I should conduct myself on twitter? 🤣 See, this is precisely what I mean by self-contradictory!

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 10
      Replying to @VincentHorn @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

      It's not contradictory at all. I can present my opinion. You can evaluate it for yourself. I claim no authority. There are no consequences to you disagreeing with me. If I express myself clearly I might persuade you. Or, alternatively, I might change my mind if you persuade me.

      7:42 AM - 10 Mar 2018
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        2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 10
          Replying to @danlistensto @VincentHorn and

          Maybe it's revealing of your attitude that you implicitly perceived my presentation of my opinion as an argument from authority. I haven't claimed any authority but you interpreted my remarks as attempting to do that.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 10
          Replying to @danlistensto @VincentHorn and

          But if I tell you that my understanding of the dharma is that it values rejecting extremes, integrating opposites, and transcending oppositional dualisms, do you think I'm on the mark or am I missing something?

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        4. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 10
          Replying to @danlistensto @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

          I think you’re on the mark, but you’re trying to rush the process. Probably out of discomfort.

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